Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Apr 13, 2021

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Apr 13, 2021

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Apr 13, 2021

 

Editor’s Choice : We learn about a partial removal of the prostate for urinary reason – a simple prostatectomy; and how this can complicate identifying whether PCa has spread. (rd)

Topics Discussed

Hawaii KP patient needs better follow-up on recurrence; a partial removal of the prostate confuses what’s going on; 80 yr man wonders how to handle recurrence; Lu177 PSMA trial experience; & … I130 PSMA trial experience together with jaw issues; cyclophosphamide oral chemo; the AUS works!! (artificial urinary sphincter); PSA still rising on ARV110 trial; experience with return of testosterone; follow-up after 4+5 RP with a positive node.

Chat Log

Rick Davis (to Everyone): 3:03 PM: OMG …… Don Price – the Mouse returns!! Bob Bordiga also coming out the woodwork

Don Price (to Everyone): 3:06 PM: Si…sorry to have been away so long.

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 3:30 PM: Axumin PET/CT scan

Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 3:40 PM: simple prostatectomy or TURP?

John Ivory (to Everyone): 3:45 PM: https://cancer.osu.edu/find-a-doctor/search-physician-directory/anish-b-parikh Pat Martin (to Everyone): 3:46 PM: Any biopsies?

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 3:51 PM: thanks john

Pat Martin (to Everyone): 3:53 PM: What Gleason score?

John Ivory (to Everyone): 3:53 PM: he said 4+4

Pat Martin (to Everyone): 3:54 PM: Thanks. I missed that

W Klass Toronto (to Everyone): 3:56 PM: Need to leave. Thanks for the invite.

Pat Martin (to Everyone): 3:57 PM: I was looking forward to hearing from you.

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 3:57 PM: thanks for joining us. Come back soon!

Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:03 PM: I just got an e-mail from Collins at Gt saying my PSA yesterday was 1.4, and that was after I did stationary bicycle. The previous GT number was 1.8!

Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:03 PM: congrats Herb!

Pat Martin (to Everyone): 4:08 PM: heading out. See all next week.

John Ivory (to Everyone): 4:16 PM: I’ve go to run to another meeting. Good to see everyone!

Russ (to Everyone): 4:25 PM: Heading out as well. Have a good night!

Bob (to Everyone): 4:30 PM: Is an axumin scan the same as a PSMA PET with Galium 68?

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 4:30 PM: oral chemotherapy drug called cyclophosphamide (Cytoxan)

Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:30 PM: No, it uses a different tracer from PSMA. Axumin uses a different tracer

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 4:31 PM: Bob, no, PSMA-PET is more sensitive than Axumin

Rick Davis (to Everyone): 4:36 PM: cyclophosphamide https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31399784/

Bob (to Everyone): 4:40 PM: Does anyone have experience with BiPolar ADT? If so, did it work?

Rick Davis (to Everyone): 4:41 PM: Bob – we have a webinar on BAT … search for Denmeade on our website https://ancan.org

Rick Davis (to Everyone): 4:42 PM: Anecdotally we only see short term results from BAT, but JH is reporting better results. Some of our guys have had more conversations with JH. This is a longer discussion than the chat window.

Bob (to Everyone): 4:43 PM: Thank you everyone. I have to leave due to a 1:45appointment which was previously scheduled.

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 4:44 PM: ARV-110

Jeff Marchi (Private): 4:48 PM: you asked whether Santa Clara is where the medoc is located. when I had my prostate removed I had to drive from San Francisco to San Jose. that is where the surgeons are located. must be where medoc is located

Rick Davis (to Jeff Marchi): 4:50 PM: No he’s mid-Peninsula

Herb Geller (to Everyone): 5:16 PM: I gotta go. See you on Monday

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 5:23 PM: Goodnight, fellas. See you next week.

United We Fall, Divided We Stand: The Cultural War Between High- and Low-Risk Prostate Cancer Patients?

United We Fall, Divided We Stand: The Cultural War Between High- and Low-Risk Prostate Cancer Patients?

Here are some thoughts from our own Howard Wolinsky. He is a Chicago-based medical writer and author. His new book is “Contain and Eliminate: The American Medical Association’s Conspiracy to Destroy Chiropractic.” For more information, go to Containandeliminate.com. He also contributes a blog, “A Patient’s Journey,” to MedPageToday.com. He has been on active surveillance for 10 years.

 

Active surveillance for men with low-risk cancers has been the Rodney Dangerfield of urology. We men on AS — close monitoring of our cancers — get little to no respect from men being treated for prostate cancer who can experience a host of serious side effects.

AS has experienced gains over the past five years. The American Urological Association in 2017 stated in new guidelines that clinicians should recommend active surveillance as “the best available care option for very low-risk localized prostate cancer patients. (Strong Recommendation; Evidence Level: Grade A).”

This is a far cry from when I was diagnosed in December 2010, and my first urologist told me he could cure my cancer — a tiny Gleason 6 in a single core — “next Tuesday” when he had an opening in his OR. Back then, 6–10% of men like me opted for AS. Or, to put it another way, 90–94% sought “definitive” treatments, mostly radical prostatectomies.

A new generation of urologists, following the guidelines, is increasingly resisting the urge to perform surgery and rather recommends that men with low-risk Gleason scores of 3+3 and some men with favorable intermediate-risk Gleason scores of 3+4 go on AS.

There has been a surge in the past five years in the proportion of American men opting for AS. Some experts estimate that as many as 50–60% of eligible men now choose AS. (Again, 40–50% still opt for prostatectomies or radiation, a contrast from 90% who opt for AS in Sweden and the Netherlands.)

In May 2017, I described in my MedPageToday blog the lack of support services for men on AS. The philosophy then was to combine men on the full range of diagnoses, from very low-risk to advanced cancers, and treatments.

However, the voices of men worried about their next biopsy or MRI could be drowned out by those of men with impotence or incontinence as collateral damage from radical surgery, to those with hot flashes from hormone therapy, or “brain fog” from chemotherapy.

Men with low-risk cancer attend these meetings and often don’t return.

Some think these side effects are their future. But they’re not. About 50% of men on AS eventually end up being treated, though frequently they switch to treatments because of anxiety rather than the disease progressing.

Some men experience anxious surveillance; they may have low-risk disease but they can’t co-exist any longer with a cancer that can be cut out or zapped with radiation or lasers.

I encountered outright hostility when I suggested in my blog four years ago that separate support groups be created for men on AS.

One group, known as the “warriors,” argued all men with prostate cancer are in this together in what they like to call the “reluctant brotherhood.” But these. men with aggressive treatments and diseases may not realize men with low-risk disease are being scared off and want to stay away from the brotherhood altogether.

It still isn’t widely acknowledged that there is a cultural divide between these groups of men with very different diseases and side effects, different views of their diseases, and different emotional needs.

Some of the support and advocacy organizations have been trying to meet this need for men on AS. Groups, including AnCan/Us Too, Active Surveillance Patients International, Cancer ABCs, Malecare, Inspire (a virtual group from Us TOO International), Prostate Cancer Research Institute, and ZERO — The End of Prostate Cancer have been making some strides with virtual, asynchronous and (until COVID-19) in-person support groups.

About a year and a half ago, I helped start a monthly virtual support group for AnCan and UsToo believed to be the first of its kind in the U.S. The group has grown to a weekly meeting. We hold webinars featuring leading experts on AS that draw hundreds of men virtually and hundreds more on video replay,

At last, AS seemed to be finding its place in the support sun. Then, I encountered negative attitudes on the part of people who ought to know better — support group leaders.

One impatient leader in effect asked me when men on AS would just grow up, “bite the bullet,” put on their big boy pants and stop whining about biopsies that could save their lives. But the man who said this had undergone hormonal treatment and didn’t quite understand that men on AS are not “whiners” or “crybabies” but rather are coping with their own problems.

I told him there is a cultural gap between men who were being treated and low-risk men like me. Men with more higher-grade cancers who are being treated may be fighting for their lives while those on AS are worrying about more fundamental issues such as “When should I have a confirmatory biopsy” or “Is gadolinium contrast dangerous?” that are just as real to them.

I was frustrated about another incident recently that demonstrates how little respect AS may be getting from some men with higher Gleason scores and collateral damage from treatment.

As an Us Too group leader, I got a note from HQ seeking group leaders willing to talk in pop-up support groups about such topics as surgery, radiation, hormone therapy, and helping the newly diagnosed and caregivers. Us Too made the request on behalf of ZERO, which wanted to include sessions at its annual Summit this year.

I read the list over. ZERO, a savvy organization I have worked with, omitted active surveillance as a topic. I pointed this out and ZERO graciously added a support “lounge” devoted to AS. An oversight, sure, but no slight intended. Three of us AS support group moderators volunteered to participate.

I was stunned at what happened at the session. We had about 25 attendees. Apparently, most had been treated or were considering treatment for more advanced cancers. We did what we could to help and refer the men to support groups more suited to them.

We suspected there were some men on AS lurking but not talking.

One very vocal group leader represented a prostate cancer support group for all-comers. He said he had undergone a radical prostatectomy decades ago. He said he knew about AS but admitted he wasn’t much of a fan.

I gather he thought that aggressive therapy was inevitable so why not get it over with. He insisted his group did what it could to support men on AS.

But he said he found these men to be scared rabbits (my term). I can understand why. They were attending a support group geared toward men coping with severe side effects and those fighting for their lives run by a leader who didn’t really believe in AS as an option.

Good intentions gone awry.

I suspect there is a lot of this going on in the support world. I wonder how many men with low-risk or favorable intermediate-risk prostate cancer attend these groups and are steered into undergoing prostatectomies or radiation therapy when none is needed — at least not immediately.

I contrast these AS skeptics with my friend Bob Allan, a support group leader from Prostate Cancer Support Canada/Burlington in suburban Toronto. Allan was treated with radiation years ago and has fared well. But he supports AS as an option and regularly attends our AnCan/UsToo virtual meetings to learn about the latest on AS to share with his members.

It’s time to end this undeclared culture war. I think many support group leaders need to be educated about AS especially since the proportion of men with prostate cancer opting for AS is on the rise. Or these support group leaders need to refer AS patients to support groups with expertise in active surveillance.

Men on AS will be better served by taking these approaches than suffering in silence in their groups.

PSMA/PET Clinical Study – Veterans Needed!

PSMA/PET Clinical Study – Veterans Needed!

At AnCan, we love our veterans of any branch, and we sincerely thank you for your service. Our AnCan “Vet-In-Chief” Marine Captain Joe Gallo recently learnt about a clinical trial at the West Los Angeles VA that offers 18F-DCFPyl PSMA scanning for any Vet whatever their diagnosis. Mike Crosby, CEO of Veterans Prostate Cancer Awareness together with ZERO are working to find transportation subsidies. It is open and available to any veteran at no cost!

What is PSMA-PET imaging? It has emerged as a new frontier in prostate cancer diagnosis and treatment.

The key advantage to PSMA-PET imaging is the fact that it’s a lot more sensitive than standard imaging. It picks up lymph nodes, visceral metastases, bone metastases, and does it at a very low PSA level

PSMA is a membrane-bound protein that’s highly expressed in 90% of prostate cancer.

This is the first anniversary of a second study. Close to 200 Veterans have been enrolled and benefitted from PSMA imaging at West Los Angeles VA medical center. The first study also enrolled over 160 subjects with newly diagnosed prostate cancer from all around the country.

Read more about this study: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04390880

For more information, please reach out to Joe at joeg (at) ancan.org

SEVEN YEARS for Peter Kafka  …… a meaningful number!

SEVEN YEARS for Peter Kafka …… a meaningful number!

Peter Kafka, our Board Chair and Lead Moderator for several of our video-chat virtual support groups, poignantly reflects this week on the meaning of 7 years living with his prostate cancer. (rd)

One subject that comes up fairly often in our prostate cancer support calls is “fatigue”.  Usually in the context of dealing with physical fatigue as a side effect of various treatment drugs.  But I am thinking today about a different level of fatigue that affects us mentally and emotionally.  We hear a lot about this in regards to the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic.  A year or so into it and people are crying out, “Enough already!”.  But I would guess that many of you feel the same sentiment regarding your ongoing experience with a prostate cancer diagnosis.

I have reached my 7-year anniversary since my official diagnosis of prostate cancer.  What is it about the number seven?  Yes, it has some kind of man-made spiritual significance.  The seven colors of the rainbow, the seven days of the week, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and of course the Seven-year Itch.  But as I (celebrate?) this seven-year anniversary of dealing with my prostate cancer I hear myself crying out, “Enough Already!”.  Fatigue is setting in.

I have done my best to look at this disease from a wide variety of angles.  The friendships I have made with many of you.  The increased understanding of the dynamics of prostate cancer among an ever-increasing body of men and women.  The empowerment of taking on the job of being one’s own best advocate.  But in honesty, prostate cancer and all the accompanying side effects of the variety of treatment modalities that I have, and continue to experience, bring on a good deal of mental and emotional fatigue.

I don’t believe that medical science graphs this fatigue factor.  We read a lot about “overall survival – OS” or “progression free survival – PFS”.  I guess the category of “Quality of Life” might come closest to what I am talking about, but it doesn’t quite capture the essence.  I suspect that any of you who have been on this journey for any length of time know what I am talking about.  I don’t have an answer, and I am certainly not selling any kind of snake oil for treatment.  I know in my heart and mind that this bump in the road will pass and I will move forward.  I always do.

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Apr 13, 2021

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Apr 5, 2021

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Apr 5, 2021

 

Editor’s Pick Should docs make overall survival predictions – it scares a newly diagnosed man, while an old hand laughs! (rd)

Topics Discussed

High-risk PCa treatment decision; recurrence – beware of overall survival preductions; durable remission and NED; experiencing spinal collapse; Spot Radiation; scanning for recurrence; ARV110 trial experience; can you add a drug to your trial; lymphedema issues; CBC questions; picking up rib lesions; 5 yrs out when the doc didn’t give you 5; record your medical meetings; estrogen patch for hot flashes; more chemo …. & more & more; gabapentin for neuropathy; PBRT vs IMRT; going off ADT to get a scan result; …. & lots of nutrition discussed in the Chat Log!

Chat Log

Jeremy (to Everyone): 5:21 PM: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-psma-targeted-pet-imaging-drug-men-prostate-cancer

Ken (to Everyone): 5:24 PM: hey jake…. chemo #15 this past friday so dealing with the side effects. alk phos continued down 10 points and psa down 2

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 5:26 PM: Awesome!

kang (to Everyone): 5:38 PM: Nice!

Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:43 PM: Axumin

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 5:44 PM: https://ancan.org/contact-us/

Ted Healy (to Everyone): 5:46 PM: record your meetings

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 5:47 PM: Yes we do, Ted (this and several others)

Ted Healy (to Everyone): 5:48 PM: no, meetings with the dr

John I (to Everyone): 5:52 PM: Wow, Sylvester, that was inspirational!!!

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 5:53 PM: I agree with John – we need to hear more from Sylvester on these calls!

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 6:26 PM: Radium 223 negates future use of lutetium?

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 6:27 PM: Is that true?

Herb Geller (to Everyone): 6:36 PM: I don’t know Ra-223 negates anything but it doesn’t seem that promising compared to other therapies.

Rick Davis (to Everyone): 6:38 PM: radionuclide trials usually prevent particpation if you have already taken a radionuclide. check the Lu177 trials

Carl Forman (to Everyone): 6:52 PM: Thanks so much to Scott Hogan for being able to participate here tonight. Hope to see you here again. Best wishes.

Ted Healy (to Everyone): 7:06 PM: I’m sorry, have to go. thank you all!

Vanita Gaglani (to Everyone): 7:10 PM: walnuts, greens,soaked fenugreek seeds ( 1 tsp per day) real licorice roots, sunflower seeds, spearmint tea all help with hot flashes. Len Fenugreek seeds can be bought in any Indian grocery store.If you have an Indian grocery store near you they have the greens called Methi. Some of the anti carcinogenic ,anti inflammatory natural products include Turmeric, cummin seeds, cinnamon.

eric (to Everyone): 7:16 PM: is this for anti inflammatory

Carlos Huerta (to Everyone): 7:19 PM: Alpha Lipoic Acid

Vanita Gaglani (to Everyone): 7:19 PM: yes. But get real turmeric powder , not capsules.1/4 tsp each you can put all in mik and drink or in tea, warm water. I am happy to answer any questions. hello@vanitasrehab.com. These are natural anti inflammatories.

Rick Davis (to Everyone): 7:22 PM: IMRT vs PBRT side effects http://prostatecancerinfolink.net/2012/02/01/first-directly-comparative-data-question-safety-of-pbrt-vs-imrt/

Carlos Huerta (to Everyone): 7:23 PM: Get a PSMA PET to target the protons

Vanita Gaglani (to Everyone): 7:24 PM: For all treatments try to keep the bladder filled 8-10 oz of urine.

Rick Davis (to Everyone): 7:24 PM: Not necessarily true Vanita – as we heard earlier

Vanita Gaglani (to Everyone): 7:24 PM: we do not need 32 oz of fluid because most men cannot hold it.or women.

John I (to Everyone): 7:26 PM: I needed a full bladder, but I believe it was 24 ounces (though I’m small)

Vanita Gaglani (to Everyone): 7:28 PM: 24 oz is difficult to hold

John I (to Everyone): 7:29 PM: They timed it–drank it 20 min before treatment & tretament was quick.It was hard to hold only if the machine went down & I had to wait a few extra minutes

Vanita Gaglani (to Everyone): 7:30 PM: if anyone can tolerate plain yoghurt eating that helps a lot too Agreed John.

Bruce Bocian (to Everyone): 7:39 PM: please type those letters of that stanford test in the chat box, not sure I heard it correct

Rick Davis (to Everyone): 7:40 PM: 17F DCFPyl

Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 7:40 PM: 17F DCF-PYL PSMA PET CT

John I (to Everyone): 7:42 PM: Great session, thanks Rick

Jeremy (to Everyone): 7:42 PM: Prayers Scott

Vanita Gaglani (to Everyone): 7:42 PM: good night