Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Feb 9, 2021

Editor’s Pick: Dr. BJ Miller’s Prognosis Directive may change how you handle your diagnosis and treatment path! (rd)

Topics Discussed

denovo metastatic treatment; comparing liquid vs solid tissue Bx for sequencing; BJ Miller’s Prognosis Declaration; high risk Dx dilemma; how quickly does T return; exercsie training during chemo; ischemic brain image; Lu177 PSMA R2 PROter Trial; symptom management discussion; relugolix; cumulative ADT impact; ADT effective

Chat Log

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 4:07 PM: nothing for me – FMI liquid biopsy tomorrow

Bob McHugh (to Everyone): 4:09 PM: I have Dr. Oh as well.

Pat Martin (to Everyone): 4:10 PM: Axumin scan scheduled for 03/04. 03/05 Lupron to restart.  Still waiting to see if imunotherapy will work for me.

Bob McHugh (to Everyone): 4:18 PM: Been seeing Oh since ’15

Bill Franklin (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:20 PM: I have seen more than 30 on the screen with cameras on.

Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:20 PM: limit was 25 last week too

Ken A (Private): 4:22 PM: rick i hope you will bring up the bj miller form

AnCan – rick (to Ken A): 4:22 PM: trying to when i get in

John Ivory (to Everyone): 4:25 PM: Thanks for the news re: the liquid biospy, Rick. Here’s the announcement https://bit.ly/3pcyDTa and for the nerds, the ASCO poster https://bit.ly/2Z2W4Dy

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:27 PM: Tx John

Ken A (Private): 4:30 PM: 30 per Paul

Bob McHugh (to Everyone): 4:44 PM: ElizabethRiley(Riley)KesslerMD; Oncology • Aurora, CO; Genitourinary Oncology, Hematologic Oncology

John Ivory (to Everyone): 4:44 PM: Elizabeth Kessler https://som.ucdenver.edu/Profiles/Faculty/Profile/21572

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 4:48 PM: Axumin PET/CT

Pat Martin (to Everyone): 4:50 PM: Another question…How many cores positive?

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:50 PM: Tx Gents

John Ivory (to Everyone): 4:54 PM: I guess I’m Mr. Chat today. Following up on Rick’s mention of whether men want to know their prognosis, he wrote a wonderful article about it here (acknowledging Len as well): https://ancan.org/required-reading-if-you-think-your-condition-is-life-threatening/

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:59 PM: SBRT compared to other RT modes ….. Allen Edel (@tallallen) https://www.prostatecancer.news/2021/01/sbrt-for-high-risk-patients.html

Bob McHugh (to Everyone): 5:04 PM: No one mentioned proton therapy. Is that an option?

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 5:06 PM: Not really, Bob …… because it will involve the same number of treatments as IMRT.

Bob McHugh (to Everyone): 5:07 PM: It used to be sold as more accurate and therefore less risk of side effects?

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 5:08 PM: Some better side effects, some worse side effects

Bob McHugh (to Everyone): 5:09 PM: Understood

Jimmy Greenfield (to Everyone): 5:17 PM: Relugolix

Bob McHugh (to Everyone): 5:20 PM: https://www.acsm.org/get-stay-certified/get-certified/specialization/cet

John Ivory (to Everyone): 5:26 PM: Thanks, Bob & Rick. Here’s how to find a certified trainer in your area certifed cancer trainer in your area. https://certification2.acsm.org/profinder

Tracy Saville (to Everyone): 5:26 PM: have to jump a bit early. thanks, guys.

Pat Martin (to Everyone): 5:26 PM: I tried to get in Flu-BLAST study.  Too fast of PSADT. But my med/onc is going to use same protocol as SOC.

John Ivory (to Everyone): 5:44 PM: I’m going to be joining an 8-week discussion group for cancer patients called Meaning-Centered Psychotherapy through Northwestern Hospital. I’m not sure when it will start bc  they’re still recruiting for it. They said it was free (not sure if it’s because I’m a patient there). Here’s the link: https://bit.ly/3oidjLs

Joe (to Everyone): 5:47 PM: I see a PsychOncologist at UCH and we did the Meaning Centered work based on the ideas of Viktor Frankl.  It was and is amazingly helpful for me.

John Ivory (to Everyone): 5:48 PM: Yes, Joe–same source. Thanks.

Joe (to Everyone): 5:49 PM: I think it was started by a fella at Sloan Kettering named Bill Breitbart….called him up and thanked him.  My psych was one of his students.

Joe (to Everyone): 5:52 PM: gotta run….great to see veryone and helpful as always

John Ivory (to Everyone): 5:53 PM: Thanks, Joe. Here’s a good overview of Breitbart’s work

Joe Murgia (to Everyone): 5:53 PM: I priced ORGOVYX (relugolix) today on my Medicare Advantage site. It was around $1750.00 for 90 days at my local pharmacy. I was surprised it was that low.

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 5:54 PM: I agree, Joe — that is surprisingly low!

Herb Geller (to Everyone): 5:55 PM: Still not cheap

John Ivory (to Everyone): 5:55 PM: Joe M. I’m guessing that ORGOVYX has a financial benefit of not needing to be administered by a HCP (though that makes it a drug, not a procedure)

John Ivory (to Everyone): 5:57 PM: Funny anecdote–the week when my preapproval was in process for ORGOVYX, I didn’t remember the name of the drug bc I was sure I wouldn’t be approved. That week I did a market research study, and it turned out to be for ORGOVYX! So far I’m up a couple hundred bucks on it.

Joe Murgia (to Everyone): 5:58 PM: I will double check again tomorrow to make sure I did not misread the website pricing. If my Casodex monotherapy stops working, I’ll be considering Orgovyx.

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 6:01 PM: Joe, if you’re doing monotherapy, you’re better off with one of the newer AR blockers, like Xtandi, Erleada or Nubeqa.  They have lower incidences of gynecomastia than Casodex.

John Ivory (to Everyone): 6:02 PM: Thank you Peter M. & Jake! I watch those videos sometimes.

Wang Gao Shan (to Everyone): 6:03 PM: Yes… Thank You Peter & Jake

Peter Monaco (to Everyone): 6:04 PM: Glad to help!

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 6:09 PM: fyi – Peter M. does all the recordings now. I’m just his backup now.