AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix and Blue Earth Diagnostics.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
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Editor’s Pick: E2 doublet discussion – closely followed by integrating psilocybin into HT doublet!
Topics Discussed
Newbie diagnosed 4 years back with PSA @ 4000 & BRCA+ might consider a different doublet -or PARP; Newbie responds but has 4 consecutive negative PSMA scans – consider Axumin; could E2 doublet be an option?; PTEN just indicated; 2 negative Bx confirm our hunch Gent is Mx ; can experienced user integrate psilocybin into his HT to treat depression; monotherapy daro works exceptionally well – but must make decision on ‘Long Game’ trial; how long to stay on mono daro?; 1st Pluvicto rings PSA down a little – what to expect next?; Dr. Guancial uses fewer tests making Gent anxious – T/W her!
I want to ask Dr A if I can do the psilocybin therapy again while receiving radiation
Bob Schwartz, USN, Venice, FL. sent: 6:33 PM
Danny, we’re all here for you brother.
Gary Martin sent: 6:42 PM
RT can impact bone marrow–lowering blood counts and possibly increasing fatigue. This happened to me–lowering blood counts further to below-normal–on top of impact of triplet prior to RT.
Read that ice packs have been shown to limit the effects of Pluvicto on salivary glands–study in Europe. Don’t have a reference to study yet.
Hank Zajic Springfield VA sent: 7:10 PM
Good night all. Thank you for the discussion. out of battery here. Hank
PCWG is the Prostate Cancer Working Group, an association of experts who meet to discuss and advise on Prostate Cancer research.
PCGW4, their recommendations for 2026, are not merely new terms for old concepts. There are fundamental changes in how to describe prostate cancer. These are meant mostly for research communication – at least until they percolate into the clinical world, which has started to happen.
PCGW4 emphasizes describing prostate cancer according to its measurable characteristics rather than relying only on broad disease labels, by calling for reports to clarify metastatic status, specify imaging methods used, provide the testosterone levels, describe symptoms and prior treatments, provide genetic features when relevant, and be very specific when describing the manifestation of progression.
Here are some of the PCGW4 recommendations:
Nonmetastatic cancer should be qualified according to the imaging used to establish the absence of metastases. A patient may have no metastases on conventional CT and bone scanning but have lesions detected by PSMA PET. Reports should therefore identify the imaging modality and, for PET, the tracer used. (Ed: addressing an old gripe heard often at AnCan).
Bone scan progression should use prostate cancer-specific confirmatory criteria designed to account for flare
PSMA PET findings and other next-generation imaging should identify the modality, tracer, and interpretation criteria and should not automatically be combined with conventional imaging endpoints.
PSA decline on treatment response of at least 50 percent (PSA50) is a commonly reported outcome and ordinarily requires confirmation, but it should not be equated with objective radiographic response or assumed to be a surrogate for survival
Treatment history should be clear and complete: identify the drugs received, disease setting, duration, response, and reason for discontinuation. Simple therapy labels may be inadequate when patients receive combinations or continue one component while changing another.
Let’s touch on some other PCGW4 recommendations and clarifications before getting to terminology below:
Patient-reported outcomes, such as symptoms, pain, physical functioning, quality of life, treatment burden, and toxicity, should be incorporated alongside survival and imaging outcomes. That’s our voices they are talking about.
Oligometastatic and oligoprogressive disease should be similarly pre-defined. PCWG4 recognizes this state, but stresses the need for standard definitions (e.g., number and location of metastases, imaging modality), the number and location of lesions, timing of disease, and imaging modality.
Composite endpoints, which we often see in research, should be prespecified, clinically justified, and reported together with their individual components. It encourages combining PSA, radiographic, and symptomatic progression.
Polyprogression: Term introduced for situations where progression occurs in multiple metastatic sites simultaneously.
Imaging Terminology has been clarified:
Conventional Imaging (CI): Refers specifically to bone scan and CT/MRI.
Next-Generation Imaging (NGI): Refers to PET-based and other novel modalities.
Imaging-Detected Progression: Requires specification of modality (CI or NGI) to avoid confusion.
PCWG4 uses “APM”to mean androgen pathway modulator, an umbrella term for treatments that inhibit androgen production or androgen receptor signaling. This means the “ides” and abiraterone, which we might have called ARPI or ARSI.
APM naïve (APMn) means the patient has never received an APM.
APM exposed means the patient previously received an APM. This term does not by itself indicate whether the cancer responded or progressed.
APM sensitive (APMs) means the cancer demonstrates clinical benefit or disease control during APM treatment. The specific response criteria and treatment setting should be stated.
APM resistant (APMr) means the cancer progresses during APM treatment despite continued castrate testosterone levels. Resistance should be linked to the particular drug and disease setting rather than assumed to apply equally to every APM.
Here are some closely related terms you’ll see
Primary APM resistance means progression from the beginning of APM treatment.
Acquired APM resistance means the cancer initially benefits from an APM but later progresses.
APM rechallenge means using an APM again after previously discontinued, ordinarily after intervening treatment or a meaningful treatment free interval.
The APM category generally does not refer to the foundational medical Androgen Deprivation Therapy including Estradiol/E2 (ADT), nor surgical castration used to maintain low testosterone.
Because PCWG terminology is intended for precise research reporting, authors should name the individual drug, disease state, prior exposure, response, and reason for discontinuation rather than relying on an APM label alone. Terms such as APM resistant should not be interpreted as proving resistance to every drug in the class.
Old vs New
mHSPC is now mAPMs or mAPMn.
nmHSPC is now nmAPMs or nmAPMn – per stated imaging technique
mCRPC is now mAPMr
nmCRPC is nmAPMr. – per stated imaging technique
‘n’ or ‘nm’ should be clarified by which imaging made the call, so while AnCan doesn’t much care for ‘nm’ we now know what produced that designation.
APMr should explain the testosterone level.
Progression explains the criteria used:
Clinical Progression: Now separated from biochemical (PSA) and radiographic progression. Clinical progression emphasizes symptom development or worsening.
PSA Progression: Now standardized for use with next-generation imaging and early relapse scenarios.
Radiographic Progression: Criteria refined for both bone and soft tissue lesions, especially with the adoption of next-generation imaging (NGI).
PSA, radiographic, symptomatic, and other forms of progression should be documented specifically. PSA progression should follow prespecified criteria and does not by itself necessarily require discontinuation of an otherwise beneficial treatment.
Remember, this is all designed to standardize language used ONLY to describe prostate cancer clinical trials. So what does that have to do with the patient, and why should our Gents be concerned about wrapping your head around these terms? Rick tells us why…
Thanks, Dr. John – what a new mouthful, but in the long run the new language will make us all more comfortable. Ironically, part of the unacknowledged rationale for the new terminology is very patient-centric. Doctors and patients alike wince over the use of one word – ‘castrate’. Whether physically, literally, or metaphorically, most everyone in the prostate cancer world resents its use – and understandably. Think about it – we don’t even employ that word when it comes to our animals, never mind adult men. Personally, I always try to substitute ‘hormone’ for ‘castrate’ – it makes me feel better.
When the language was first suggested at GU ASCO t this past February, Dr. John wrote up an explanation at my request. However, other Moderators and our Brains Trust vetoed us. They felt that the language was intended for clinical trials and that it would only confuse our AnCan’rs. Now that the FDA’s PSMAddition has incorporated the new terminology into its approval, we’ve made an executive decision to place this new medical speak on your radar.
The PSMAddition trial led to a new and potentially game-changing FDA Approval at the end of July for the use of radioligand therapy, Lutetium-177 vipivotide tetraxetan. That’s an even bigger mouthful, so we’ll call it Pluvicto. You recall the big news when Pluvicto was made available pre-chemo in March of 2025. BUT you still had to have metastatic castration-resistant prostate cancer (mCRPC). There’s that nasty word again.
This July’s approval was for (ready…) metastatic Androgen Pathway Modulation Sensitive/Naive (mAPMS/N) men. It’s taken a while, especially for those of you with a touch of ADHD, but now you see where we’ve been going.
As we said, the new language is forcing its way into our everyday prostate cancer lexicon. And what’s the bottom line? If you are early in disease progression, just found out you are metastatic, and are on an ARPI, you are eligible for Pluvicto, a systemic, non-chemo alternative. As far as we can tell from the FDA approval, it appears to cover monotherapy ARPI, but that remains to be seen in practice.
To refer to our chat with Novartis, you can understand now why it asked us about the new terminology and the PSMAddition approval. The video referenced is fairly short and worth a watch. It’s designed for HCPs, but we’re betting you’ll be able to follow along quite easily. Watch it HERE.
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix and Blue Earth Diagnostics.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: Do you get PSMA PET after doublet then how often?; and, how to say Guancial!
Topics Discussed
Younger Newbie graduates to our Group post RRP; treated after 20 yrs of AS.. but in the wrong group; finding the best trial for Frank; Bx cannot confirm PrCa; spot RT may be the ticket; all sable during IHT; RT to commence this month; what’s in Dr. Guancial’s name?; PSMA scans pos doublet are negative; when and how often to PSM scan; GU MO denies Pluvicto post triplet though scans light up; Gent decides to start TRT; brief discussion of HLD-0915
Chat
Bob Schwartz, USN, Venice, FL. sent: 3:17 PM
I can agree as to the hospital sling I received last time, for my other shoulder surgery. Which was why I was glad to hear your recommendation of a better one, prior to my upcoming surgery. Wish I didn’t need the surgery, but old age & past injuries, are catching up with me.
Steve L…. Hold tight and we’ll have the mugs available in our shop before long. You can order and take care of biz.
Alfredo in Wimberley, TX sent: 4:31 PM
Family calling – I must drop off now. Best wishes to all!
Steve Schuler (Seattle) sent: 4:31 PM
I wondered why I hadn’t heard anything… Answer: beurocrac
(can’t spell it though… :^(
Len Sierra sent: 4:36 PM
JAMA Oncol. 2019, 5, 856-863. In the first prospective trial of 68Ga-PSMA-11 PET/CT for BRPC, which included 635 patients, detection rates were 38% for PSA levels of < 1.0 ng/mL (n = 79), 84% for 1.0 to 2.0 (n=89), 86% for 2.0 to 5.0 (n=158), and 94% for >5.0. (BRPC = Bio-Recurrent PC)
Steve Schuler (Seattle) sent: 4:41 PM
a meta-observation is that most therapies that are initially only for end stage move earlier in treatment where their use there improves things. improves at least in the CSS sense, not necessarily in the OS sense
Len Sierrasent: 4:46 PM
New Terminology: • Androgen Pathway Modulator Sensitive: Tumors that continue to respond to or are controlled by androgen pathway suppression/blockade. • Androgen Pathway Modulator Resistant: Tumors that progress despite treatment targeting the androgen pathway
Steve – Seattle sent: 4:49 PM
My Calendar has the Ancan Seattle dinner scheduled for Sunday but I don’t have any details.
rick davis sent: 4:51 PM
Stand by as I said.
Steve Schuler (Seattle) sent: 4:53 PM
I’ve got to drop, but I will “stand by” to hear about Sunday. I will be at the conference Saturday, probably at Fred Hutch which I assume must be a video screen but in the FH building… That way I get a free sandwich I think :^)
RJ Smith (Seattle) sent: 4:54 PM
Same here–see you there Steve!
rick davis sent: 4:54 PM
: NCT06800313 HLD0915
George Kander
sent: 4:56 PM
Family calls – have to go. Thanks everyone and hopefully see you at dinner Friday in Portland – Chhers
Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PrCa Video Chat, Oct. 5, 2026
Substack is coming to AnCan… or maybe AnCan is coming to Substack. We’ll be posting the best from our Reminders and Blog Posts. Coming soon – we’re working on it!!
NEW AnCan HEART Group for all things cardio. Sign up for Reminder at https://ancan.org/contact-us/. Next meeting Oct 7 in AnCan Schmier Room. For ProsCard mailing list, please write to dr.john@ancan.org to ad to the distribution and Dr. John’s weekly heart primer.
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix and Blue Earth Diagnostics.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: wot a choice this week … trials – ANDROMEDA, VIR5500 & Veozah; everyone wants scarce E2; and switch foreign drugs by 10/22!
Topics Discussed
Newbie Calgarian supported by 1.5 AnCan Calgarians; 2nd recurrence raises questions for Newbie; E2 scarcity; switch foreign online pharmacy by Oct. 22; ANDROMEDA triallist encourages others to sign up – inc. Newbies; borderline anemia delays salvage RT – but so does switching insurance; Veozah/fezolinetant trial open in Greater Boston; T and PSA rise during IHT – ANDROMEDA??; ARSI switch may be in order; does rationing Pluvicto sessions do the trick?; VIR5500 trialist experiences fatigue; Frank recovering and may be fit enough to consider a trial; GU MO orders confirmatory bone Bx before starting doublet; E2 preferred if HT resumes – or ANDROMEDA?; ; started Pluvicto – waiting on bone Bx result; ask for the PSMA SUV
Chat
Bruce Schrimpf sent: 5:12 PM
Army: Do not volunteer unless you can type. There is a story there! BDS
Danny Lankford (Minnesota) sent: 5:52 PM
I just started the e2 patch after months of wearing my GU oncologist down with evidence . 😉
john sent: 5:58 PM
At DEXA T=-1.3 you have osteopenia, and are at risk for further bone loss due to hormone therapy. Suggest Calcium 500mg twice daily (w/food if carbonate) and Vitamin D perhaps 800 IU/d. Discuss w/your PCP for a decision and doses. Weight bearing exercises. Repeat DEXA every 2y or according to your doctors. Consider E2 estradiol rather than an LHRH agonist; let’s ask Dr Paul in the room. I’m not sure at what point an endocrinologist is needed, but a bone strengthener needed because you also have a bone met.
I have tried to register for virtual prostate cancer conference at OHSU on October 17. I am provided a registration ID code, but not provided a link to access conference. What am I missing?
rick davis sent: 6:12 PM
Dr. Bill – I expect they’ll send a link closer to the conference
Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PrCa Video Chat, Sep 21, 2026
Substack is coming to AnCan… or maybe AnCan is coming to Substack. We’ll be posting the best from our Reminders and Blog Posts. Watch our for more details.
NEW AnCan HEART Group for all things cardio.Sign up for Reminder at https://ancan.org/contact-us/. For ProsCard mailing list, please write to dr.john@ancan.org to be added to the distribution and Dr. John’s weekly heart primer.
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix and Blue Earth Diagnostics.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: Go to ‘Extra Time’ to hear Newbie with PTEN, TP53 and maybe RB1
Topics Discussed
denovo N1 Newbie waits on treatment recommendations; uro assumes Newbie is denovo M1 but SUV is low – needs verification; T rises but PSA holds steady – CRPC??; offered Veozah trial – but hide the Embr watch; PSA increases from 0.16 to 1.6 – could be inflammation or RT; insist on a bone strengthener and switch docs; at least 12 m. of doublet; Reel Recovery rave review; arousal 3 months after stopping org, but Gent expects more; late Newbie faces PTEN, TP53 and possibly RB1 – treatment path???
Chat
Sergio sent: 5:41 PM
David – ty for your message. Let’s def connect. I can be reached at gonzaler84@hotmail.com. We can find time later in the week if this works for you.
Bill Lawler sent: 6:09 PM
When i was prescribed those two drugs, I was advised to stagger the start dates by ten days to two weeks.
FEZOLINETANT
Avery sent: 6:35 PM
Bill Lawler – Are you in the DMV area? If so, which hospital is your care? FYI- I just received the exact same markers and barrigel and I start my 5 and half weeks of radiation treatments on Wed at Sibley.
ok thx
Bill Lawler sent: 6:41 PM
Avery, My 28 treatments start on Oct. 1. Greater Boston area, MGB Danvers.
Avery sent: 6:41 PM
Bill – Wish you well
Bill Lawler sent: 6:49 PM
Fezolinetant principal investigator: Shehzad Basaria, Brigham & Women’s Hosp.
Bob Schwartz, USN, Venice, FL. sent: 7:08 PM
Another good mtg., have to go, see everyone next mtg.
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Blue Earth Diagnostics and Foundation Medicine.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: Two Vets both recur after a long time and cud be candidates for MDT
Topics Discussed
San Diego Veteran faces slow recurrence over 15 years – consider Matt Rettig at W.L.A. VA ; Tacoma to OSHU is well worthwhile to see Dr.E; variant disease produces plenty of PSA but doesn’t respond – Ac225 trial @ MSKCC a possibility; NW Montana G9 Vet recurs after Brachy + ADT @ Huntsman in 2019 – PSA now 18.5; older Gent has bone density issues.
Chat
Dan M, Tacoma WA sent: 3:26 PM
The liquid biopsy phlebotomists will even come to your house.
Bill Lawler sent: 3:37 PM
I’ve been on Darolutamide & Orgovyk ADT treatment for two months. at six weeks my PSA dropped from 14.4 to1.18.
Danny Lankford (Minnesota) sent: 3:41 PM
Ditto here. I started on Darolutamide and Orgovyx and my PSA went from 13-ish down to 0.04 in 3 months.
AnCan–John A sent: 3:41 PM
in one or two years > new theranostics with new cancer cell markers
Alfredo in Wimberley, TX sent: 4:18 PM
Sorry, I must leave early tonight. Best regards to everyone.
Ben Nathanson sent: 4:23 PM
I’m still listening
AnCan–John A sent: 4:30 PM
Dr Theresa Werner is now deputy director at Huntsman