Webinar: Prostate Cancer Biopsies…The Great Debate!

Webinar: Prostate Cancer Biopsies…The Great Debate!

We had a fascinating webinar on August 29th, a debate on whether transrectal biopsies or transperineal biopsies are better for prostate cancer patients.

Don’t know the difference? No problem, this webinar will give lots of food for thought, and plenty to take back to the doctor’s office with you!

Deborah Kaye, MD, Assistant Professor Duke University Division of Urology and Duke Clinical Research Institute Margolis Policy Center, argued for transrectal biopsies. Arvin George, MD, a urologic surgeon specializing in the diagnosis and management of genitourinary cancers at University of Michigan Health, argued for transperineal procedures.

We have been reading all your feedback and taking it to heart, you want more information on this topic. To quote Rick Davis- “we hear ya!!”, and we are working on it.

Watch here:

 

 

 

Special thanks to Janssen, Pfizer, Bayer, Foundation Medicine, and Advanced Accelerator Applications for sponsoring this webinar.

 

 

We are working on slides – check back later.

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Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Aug 9, 2022

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Aug 9, 2022

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Aug 9, 2022

AnCan APOLOGIZES FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE FROM DOWNTIME ON OUR WEBSITE AT THE END OF JULY. AS A RESULT WE ARE NOW SWITCHING THE HOST.

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Editor’s Pick: Libido … from a Care Partners pespective – and lots about Pluvicto (rd)

Topics Discussed

BRCA Newbie overly concerned about cachexia; combining institutions for Tx; Pluvicto supply issues … again!; does Pluvicto obscure X-rays?; Pluvicto side effects; blood thinning problem; Ports – Y/N; bone density on ADT; ONJ; not so quiet on the Eastern Front; reading PSMA scans; after a spike, abi continues to work; Provenge reconsidered … and pursued; relugolix + darolutamide combo; libido – from carepartners PoV; PSMA screening threshold

Chat Log

Mike Yancey (to Everyone): 3:04 PM: I enjoyed speaking with you too. Had by Pluvicto this morning…….

Rich Jackson (to Everyone): 3:06 PM: https://ancan.org/veterans/

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 3:44 PM: From Rick: Care Partners Video Chat Group https://ancan.org/cancer-caregivers/

Russ Strehlow (to Everyone): 4:10 PM: How do you spell that? * bone strengthener

Ben Nathanson (to Everyone): 4:11 PM: Denosumab

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 4:21 PM: XGEVA® is a 120-mg SC injection administered once every 4 weeks 1 The mean elimination half-life of XGEVA® was 28 days. Having said that, I believe most medoncs give Xgeva once every 3 months.

George Rovder Arlington VA (to Everyone): 4:31 PM: 🙂

Bob G. Philadelphia (to Everyone): 4:59 PM: According to the literature, half life of Xgeva may be 28 days, but the drug stays in the body for 140 days. So, I guess every 3 mo. would work, at least in the beginning.

Ancan – rick (to Everyone): 5:03 PM: https://ancan.org/intimacy-prostate-cancer/

Ancan – rick (to Everyone): 5:03 PM: Saving Your Sex LIfe

Joe Gallo (to Everyone): 5:04 PM: by john mulhall @ MSKCC; on Amazon

Herb Geller (to Everyone): 5:04 PM: doi: 10.1097/SPC.0000000000000190. Maintaining intimacy for prostate cancer patients on androgen deprivation therapy Richard J Wassersug 1

Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:14 PM: Gotta go. Sorry!

Julian Morales – Houston (to Everyone): 5:15 PM: Thanks everyone – Talk to all next week!

Bob G. Philadelphia (to Everyone): 5:19 PM: Thanks

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Aug 9, 2022

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Aug 1, 2022

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Aug 1, 2022

AnCan APOLOGIZES FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE FROM DOWNTIME ON OUR WEBSITE AT THE END OF JULY. AS A RESULT WE ARE NOW SWITCHING THE HOST.

All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/     Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/

Editor’s Pick: Crossing international borders when you’re ‘hot’; and watch your statins on Nubeqa (rd)

Topics Discussed

Recurrence after 19 years???; crossing the Border on Pluvicto; delayed PSA response to Pluvicto; throat side -effects; drug holiay approved; reduced darolutamide dosage; statins and darolutamide; debating Provenge – abscopal effect with spot RT; overreading G68 PSMA scans; chemo must precede Pluvicto; why hot flashes persist with no LHRH; adding abi to adjuvant RT; treating PCa testicular spread; FMI report reveals TP53; dealing with chemo

Chat Log

Frank Fabish – Columbus OH (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:16 PM: No update from me tonight. My next checkup and blood draw is Tuesday 8/23. Leaving for Cabo San Lucas on 8/4 for two weeks. A little bit of beach therapy.

Peter Kafka – Maui (to Everyone): 5:27 PM: Is this really advanced disease? Or even recurrent yet?

Bill Franklin – Sunny Florida (to Everyone): 5:28 PM: When all you have is a hammer…

C Huerta (to Everyone): 5:58 PM: Got to get to a Board Meeting. Next time …

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 5:58 PM: Carl you have to tell me that upfront

john antonucci–CT (to Everyone): 5:59 PM: Lu177 half life 6.7 d. decays to stable hafnium 177 via beta radiation

Ken (to Everyone): 6:01 PM: thanks John

Jim Marshall, Alexandria, VA (to Everyone): 6:06 PM: John, ask him if he is on Medicare Advantage,Part C or Medicare, Part B. The Advantage provider may be the one denying. Jim

Stephen Saft (to Everyone): 6:28 PM: From google Adverse Reactions: The most common adverse reactions reported in clinical trials (≥ 15% of patients receiving PROVENGE) were chills, fatigue, fever, back pain, nausea, joint ache, and headache.

GEORGE ROVDER Arlington VA (to Everyone): 6:28 PM: Thanks

Steve. Peter Kafka – Maui (to Everyone): 6:35 PM: Gotta go = see y’all next week.

Frank Fabish – Columbus OH (to Everyone): 6:54 PM: Gotta go guys. Thanks for the info.

Stephen Saft (to Everyone): 7:04 PM: I am going to say goodnight. Tommorrow is 3 weeks since surgery. I need some time to prepare to get bed. Thanks everyone for sharing.

Jerry Pelfrey – Mexico (to Everyone): 7:10 PM: Time, have to go now. Thanks to everyone.

David Muslin (to Everyone): 7:14 PM: Dr Russell Szmulewitz New nurse January 2022 – Meghan Catenacci meghan.catenacci@uchospitals.edu

Julian Morales – Houston (to Everyone): 7:17 PM: Have to leave. Thanks for the great advice and c onversation! See y’all next Tuesday.

Stan Friedman – Stamford (to Everyone): 7:20 PM: Good night guys. Have an early morning start.

GEORGE ROVDER Arlington VA (to Everyone): 7:33 PM: Embr Wave

Bob G. Philadelphia (to Everyone): 7:34 PM: Thanks everyone. Have a good night

Getting to the HEART on Hormone Therapy!

Getting to the HEART on Hormone Therapy!

Getting to the HEART on Hormone Therapy!

AnCan has an ongoing interest in issues around heart health for men on hormone therapy – especially if it involves androgen deprivation with an LHRH drug. We speak about this often in our High Risk/Recuirrent/Advanced meetings where many men are impacted, including our Moderators.

Last year AnCan produced a great webinar addressing this issue – yup, we know it says Active Surveillance, but Dr. Darryl Leong did a great job addressing LHRH implciations too. Watch it here. We are now particpating with Drs. Leong and Narayan at Penn who were just awarded a research grant to address heart health. We followed this up by nominating Dr. John Antonucci to appear on a CureTalk Panel addressing cardio-oncology issues. Listen to Dr. John talking with UCSF’s Dr. Javid Moslehi here.  And recently Professor Herb Geller PhD spotted a good ASCO journal article reviewing the state of play. Herb and Dr. John, who himself has cardio considerations, worked together to summarize this piece, that follows. (rd)

 

The first line of treatment for recurrent and advanced prostate cancer is Androgen Deprivation Therapy (ADT). ADT is known to promote metabolic syndrome that has adverse cardio results. One controversial issue is whether an agonist Leutinizing Hormone Releasing Hormone (LHRH) like Lupron (and its sisters) or an antagonist LHRH like  Firmagon (and its brothers) is safer for our hearts?  Most of us with high-risk/recurrent disease are on one or the other and we generally hate them, though they keep our PSAs very low, sometimes for years.

So how do they work? Well, we want to keep our testosterone (T) as low as possible to “starve” out our prostate cancer that feeds on it. The drugs to do this are those that interfere with the brain’s signals to the testes to make T; that signal comes from the pituitary gland. There are two ways to do this:

  1. Goose the pituitary gland in the brain with an “agonist” LHRH that overstimulates it producing excess testosterone. That explains the T. flare we often speak about. The over-signal shuts down this response in the pituitary by flooding and desensitizing receptors over time. The testes may also be complaining to the hypothalmus they are overworked in a separate feedback loop to the pituitary. The whole production of testosterone eventually stops. This LHRH drug is leuprolide; brand names include Lupron, Eligard, Zoladex, and Trelstar (we capitalize brand names and not generic names).
  2. Block LHRH with an “antagonist”. No signal deactivates the pituitary signal to the testes and voila … no testosterone. Antagonists are Firmagon (degarelix) and Orgovix (relugovix).

Both work well, albeit differently, to do the job

No testosterone in your body can result in cardiac implications. There is a vigorous, ongoing debate whether the type of LHRH used mitigates your heart risk. This is of intense interest to us prostate cancer men with heart disease that can take us under.

As our Blog Editor remarked above, AnCan closely follows this debate.  Some studies seem to clearly say the agonists are toxic to the heart, and others don’t demonstrate this. Every study has been faulted by the community of scientists, which by this time includes many in the new specialty of cardio-oncology.  As a result, researchers are making painstaking efforts to remove all possible flaws from their study designs—a difficult task outside the lab. As these studies are better designed, they have shown decreasing cardiotoxicity for the medications and less and less difference between the two types of medications.

A recent paper, Should Prostate Cancer Patients With History of Cardiovascular Events Be Preferentially Treated With Luteinizing Hormone-Releasing Hormone Antagonists?  Tisseverasinghe, et al.McGill University, Montreal, Journal of Clinical Oncology,  American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO), reviews significant studies addressing cardio implications that may be associated with using LHRH drugs.

The most reliable study in this review, PRONOUNCE, was a randomized controlled study (the best kind of experiment) that compared an agonist, leuprolide/Lupron, against an antagonist, degarelix/Firmagon.   All the men in the study had cardiovascular disease. The outcome measure was major adverse cardiovascular events, and the raters scored these events without knowing what medications the subjects were on. Tisseverasinghe said PRONOUNCE  “was ideally conceived to isolate results from confounders and biases”. Results of PRONOUNCE No significant difference between the two medications in terms of the heart, and very low cardiovascular events overall.  So, do we finally have an answer?

Well even PRONOUNCE can be criticized.  It tried for 900 subjects to make its statistics valid; it only got 545 – that’s still a pretty good number. Bad outcomes were very low: about 5% – some 3% died in the 1st year,  1.5 % from heart attack, 1% from stroke.  It’s very hard to meaningfully compare groups with such small numbers. But the authors of the Tisseverasinghe article argue that even if PRONOUNCE was fully completed the outcome would still be the same. Our takeaway: it was the excellent and modern cardiological and cardio-oncological care that made those numbers of adverse cardiovascular effects in PRONOUNCE so low.

And so what can we conclude? It’s not proven, but it does not look like your doctor has to worry about using antagonists over agonists out of concern for your heart. And given modern cardio-oncological care, it does not look like we have to be terribly frightened for our heart IF we take care of it ….. HOW??

  • be aware of angina symptoms,
  •  ask about aspirin,
  •  monitor blood pressure,
  •  monitor cholesterol and lipids,
  •  stop smoking tobacco in any form
  • maintain a good diet (i.e. Mediterranean),
  • exercise regularly, and
  • practice weight control.

If there is risk, have a good cardiologist, and if risk is very high or you’re on immune therapy, find a cardio-oncologist.

John Antonucci & Herb Geller       (follow up directly at dr.john@ancan.org;  herb@ancan.org)

Work cited:

Tisseverasinghe S, Tolba M, Saad F, Gravis G, Bahoric B, Niazi T. Should Prostate Cancer Patients With History of Cardiovascular Events Be Preferentially Treated With Luteinizing Hormone-  Releasing Hormone Antagonists? J Clin Oncol. 2022 Jul 21:JCO2200883. doi: 10.1200/JCO.22.00883  https://ascopubs.org/doi/full/10.1200/JCO.22.00883?bid=187952004&cid=DM11125


				
					
Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Aug 9, 2022

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, July 26, 2022

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, July 26, 2022

 

AnCan APOLOGIZES FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE FROM DOWNTIME ON OUR WEBSITE THIS PAST WEEK. AS A RESULT WE ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF SWITCHING THE HOST.

All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime!    You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/  Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/

Editor’s Pick: No one ever asked but exactly how much chemo is required to be eligible for Pluvicto?… Jim B wants to know! And watch out for the Nurse Practitioners when your doc isn’t available(rd)

Topics Discussed

Denovo Mx Newbie experiences heart issues from treatment; when to see the NP; chemo failing – time for Pluvicto; handling anxiety; Carl’s next step – Pluvicto, rechallenging PARP, or …??; defer ADT for oligoMx spot RT; advanced PCa REQUIRES GU med onc who knows the map; how much chemo required for Pluvicto qualification; rechallenging with another radionuclide; treatments for PTEN and SPOP?

Chat Log

AnCan – rick (to Organizer(s) Only): 3:19 PM: No PTEN, TP53??

Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 3:19 PM: There must be some specific mutations

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 3:22 PM: Great job getting your son to test, Bob!

ALFRED LATIMER (to Everyone): 3:37 PM: Bob: you have learrned an amazing amount about PCa in four months. Great job with the homework!

Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 3:44 PM: definitely!

Ben Nathanson (to Everyone): 3:56 PM: “New Era of Lu-PSMA Post Approval: Perspectives, Challenges and Future.” https://ancan.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=ece3f3da90f82cb974b407396&id=e11236a87f&e=48fc76c421

Julian Morales – Houston (to Everyone): 3:58 PM: need to leave early tonite – catch you all next week!

Henry (Private): 4:12 PM: Hey there Rick. This is your old buddy Henry from Alabama. I joined late and so didn’t get on the list to ask questions/speak. Is there still room, or already too full for tonight? Not urgent. It’s about my PTEN SPOP deletions with low tumor mutational burden and microsatellite stability. I’ve learned from Dr. E (thanks to you hooking us up!!!!!!) that PTEN may = abiraterone resistance. This can totally wait ‘till next week or more. Thanks!!

Peter Kafka – Maui (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:17 PM: Guys: I wil be hopping off before 2pm – Got to catch an overnight flight back to Minneapolis. My first Keytruda infusion will be with Antonarakis next Tuesday. I am optimistic. Thanks for everything. I will try and catch up with some of the more recent MN guys who have popped up in recent weeks over the summer months.

David Muslin (to Everyone): 4:22 PM: Is Bob castrate resistant?

Peter Kafka – Maui (to Everyone): 4:33 PM: Good catch Dennis!

Bob McHugh (to Everyone): 4:34 PM: Many thanks to all. Good night.

Peter Kafka – Maui (to Everyone): 4:37 PM: Chemo # 5 & 6 are the worst.

Mark Finn (to Everyone): 4:47 PM: Rick – info on “weaning off” prednisone? thanks

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:49 PM: SLOWLY!!!!!!!!  Please speak to your docs!!

Mark Finn (to Everyone): 4:50 PM: OK – “slowly”? 5mg every other day? 2.5/day by cutting tablet? Expected side effects if go cold turkey?: I am going off prednizone and have about 10 tabs remaining.

Ben Nathanson (to Everyone): 4:52 PM: PSMA-targeted radiopharmaceutical clinical trials in the US  https://www.prostatecancer.news/2020/08/psma-targeted-radiopharmaceutical.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email

Jim Marshall, Alexandria, VA (to Everyone): 4:53 PM: I did 2.5 prednisone for 10 days and 2.5 every other day for 10 days. Seem to work. jim marshall

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:54 PM: Mark Finn …. you don’t want to go cold turkey. I know someone who lost 30# …. really screws up your adrenals.

David Muslin (to Everyone): 4:55 PM: When should Jim B check his PSA next?

Herb Geller (to Everyone): 4:56 PM: I assume they will check before the next chemo.

Jerry Pelfrey – Mexico (to Everyone): 5:14 PM: sorry I have to leave gents. Have a good week and see you next week!

Bob G (to Everyone): 5:15 PM: Have to leave. Thank you for all the great feedback & info. Will be back. Have a good night.

Kevin Bagnasco (Private): 5:17 PM. I am at a crossroad now. I have done LU-177, Actinium 8 sessions of docetaxel. Tagawa has taken me off because of the neuropathy in my fingers (nothing in toes). Scans are scheduled this Friday. I have an appointment with Tagawa on the 2nd and Petrylac on the 4th. PSA has gone from 9/9/21 (4.93 to 19.7).metastasized tumors are throughout my skeleton system.