Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Nov 1, 2021
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in – join us in person sometime! You can find out more about this and our other 10 monthly prostate cancer groups at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/.
Editor’s Pick: Can you reallly avoid significant side effects when PCa recurs – right now AnCan thinks not BUT we hope Lu177 PSMA proves us wrong! We hear from two men who hope so. (rd)
Topics Discussed
Under 60 man faces Gleason 9 recurrence; recently Dx de novo Mx with G10; recurrent man seeks alternative to systemic Tx; side effects due to enz?; mobility trial at OHSU; pre-Mx abiraterone; more than nutritional option required; EMBR Wave still seeks trial particpants; GERD/acid reflux; super broccoli and power nutrients
Chat Log
Rich Jackson (to Everyone): 5:23 PM: Next gathering is Tuesday, Nov 9 at 6pm EST
Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:28 PM: What was Henry’s PSA and Gleason before surgery?
Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:30 PM: Thanks,
Jake. He never should’ve had surgery. That’s a shame.
Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:31 PM: I agree. I have no clue why he got surgery with Gleason 9 and positive nodes.
Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:31 PM: What is his current PSA?
Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:31 PM: I think he said 4.8 post surgery.
Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:32 PM: Mark Pomerantz is publishing with Eli. But surgery was in August, right?
Peter Monaco (to Everyone): 5:35 PM: September
Jake (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:35 PM: diagnosed in august
Pat Martin (to Everyone): 5:38 PM: Hutchinson is great, in my opinion. Been with them for 7 years. I have not found any “klinkers” in the whole staff. i was Gl 9(5+4)
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 5:55 PM: It is a scan that will identify areas of high PSMA levels in your body.
Stephen Saft (to Everyone): 5:59 PM: I am on the elliptical now
Edward Clautice (to Everyone): 6:00 PM: my exercise experience is similar to jimmy greenfield. round 10 of docetaxel, run, lift weights. minimal side effects felt
Joe Gallo (to Everyone): 6:05 PM: Germline genetic test looks at inherited dna variants Sonomic genomic test look at the actual tissue sample.
Ted Healy- Portland, OR. (to Everyone): 6:08 PM: I had a genetic test due to my family history and stage of my cancer. turns out i carry the HOXB13 variant which predisposes all of my offspring, brother and sisters offspring to early prostate cancer. At least i can give them a heads up.
Henry (and Staci) Cornelius (to Everyone): 6:10 PM: Can genetic testing be done on tissue taken during my surgery on Sept. 21? It seems too late for that, right?
Stephen Saft (to Everyone): 6:10 PM: no oos that tisse is available for long time not too late.
Henry (and Staci) Cornelius (to Everyone): 6:11 PM: Copy that. Thanks.
Stephen Saft (to Everyone): 6:13 PM: my prostectomy tisse from 2017 has been many places
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 6:46 PM: joeg@ancan.org
larry meddles (to Everyone): 6:58 PM: Gotta go, have another meeting in 2 minutes. Thanks.
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 7:01 PM: EMBR Wave trial
Ted Healy- Portland, OR. (to Everyone): 7:02 PM: Gotta go as well. Thank you all for being here and special thanks to all that make this meeting possible!
Henry (and Staci) Cornelius (to Everyone): 7:02 PM: I’m going to say goodnight to my 11 year old daughter. Be back in a bit.
Edward Clautice (to Everyone): 7:06 PM: gotta go, thanks to all
Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Oct 26, 2021
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Editor’s Pick:This week’s repeating theme seems to be the need to switch your QB to a GU medical oncolcogist as your disease progresses. And great discussion about monotherapy 2nd line anti-androgens. (rd)
Topics Discussed
DenovaMx man treated by urologist; interviewing for a new QB doc; the role of palliative care; Bruce’s Breakfast Club!; recurrent PCa requires adding GU med onc; considering 2nd Lu177 trial; appoint with Dr. Beltran coming up; reading PSMA scan – who to beleive?; monotherapy darolutamide works; LHRH role in presence of 2nd line Anti-Androgen – QoL considerations; Lymph and Lung Mx; Fly fishing!
Chat Log
Bruce Bocian (to Everyone): 3:10 PM: It was excellent!
Mark Perloe, MD Atlanta (to Everyone): 3:12 PM: Having fun post prostate. First parathyroid surgery, now planning a pancreas biopsy early November. After prostate, parathyroid and pancreas, I’m running out of organs starting with “p”.
Bill Bradford (to Everyone): 3:18 PM: Has anyone had any experience with Dr. Eugene Kwon with Mayo Clinic in Rochester? Someone recommended him for a 2nd opinion consultation for treatments. If so, I can reach out off line later in the week if that is ok
Peter Monaco (to Everyone): 3:18 PM: Good luck Mark!
AnCan – rick (to Mark Perloe, MD Atlanta): 3:19 PM: Heh Doc ….. did they find all the parathyroids??
Mark Perloe, MD Atlanta (Private): 3:23 PM: yes. introspection sestimibi. only one gland +
Julian Morales (to Everyone): 3:25 PM: NCCN – National Comprehensive Cancer Network
AnCan – rick (to Bill Bradford): 3:28 PM: genitourinary GU
George (to Everyone): 3:28 PM: Genito Urinary Oncologist
Bill Bradford (Private): 3:31 PM: Thanks Rick – very helpful. I am seeing a GU medical oncologist at MD Anderson (Omar Alhalabi) for the last month. I am new to the disease and the treatments available so wasn’t sure if I should get a 2nd opinion at this early point in my battle
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 3:36 PM: Jacqueline Vuky, Julie Graff, Tom Baer all at OHSU. All genitourinary medcial oncologists
Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 3:43 PM: Guys, the fact that Tom has bone pain with a PSA less than 0.1 makes me wonder if he has PCa cells that are not producing PSA and that I might want to see him get another scan like an FDG-PET.
Julian Morales (to Everyone): 3:44 PM: • United States +1 (646) 749-3129 – LogMeIn/GtM
Joe Gallo (to Organizer(s) Only): 3:44 PM: I have a 50Vets call in 15min so I will leave quietly
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 3:49 PM: To dial in: +1 (646) 749-3129 #222 583 973
Mark Perloe, MD Atlanta (to Everyone): 4:00 PM: Chol11 should be retired and I think a PYL PET is indicated.
John Antonucci (to Everyone): 4:20 PM: I imagine for any lutetium trial a subject has to have a certain minimum psa?
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:23 PM: rarely is there a PSA eligibility criteria, Dr. John
John Antonucci (to Everyone): 4:23 PM: then what is the outcome measure, Rick?
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:24 PM: usually rPFS
John Antonucci (to Everyone): 4:24 PM: You mentioned a study for guys like me, hormone sensitive and de novo metastatic. but my psa is to low to measure outcome
John Antonucci (to Everyone): 4:27 PM: oh, right. thanks
Gary Peters (to Everyone): 4:27 PM: What is the meaning of “de novo metastatic”? What about “rPFS”?
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 4:28 PM: de novo metastatic means metastatic on diagnosis. first diagnosis, prior to any treatment.
John Antonucci (to Everyone): 4:29 PM: radiographic progression free survival
Gary Peters (to Everyone): 4:31 PM: Thank you Len, thank you John
Bruce Bocian (to Everyone): 4:39 PM: https://radonc.uchicago.edu/faculty/stanley-liauw-md If your in the Chicago area this guy is awesome!
Paul Freda (to Everyone): 4:43 PM: What is rPFS ??
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 4:45 PM: radiographic progression free survival
Bruce Bocian (to Everyone): 4:57 PM: Excellent call tonight! Len, the article is awesome. Rick, great job as always! Herb,”Give a man a fish, and you fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
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Editor’s Pick: The importance of having a strong GU med onc to quarterback your treatment is revealed when a man finds himself shunted from trial to trial. rd)
Topics Discussed
Dealing with another recurrence after 20 yrs – can you radiate ribs?; adding back a 2nd lin AR after brief holiday; salvage RT working; low PSA shows no PSMA result; HDR procedure; coming up; choosing the right 2nd line anti-androgen; back door Nubequa via Technetium 99 scan; find strong GU med onc to QB your treatment to prevent succession of trials; debulk primary?; one too many opinions???
Chat Log
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 5:19 PM: Dr. Chadha is Hem/Onc with some interests in GU, but not a GU specialist
Larry Fish (to Everyone): 5:22 PM: ? if psma shows spread to bone – why plan to radiate lymph again – before results of ADT are in, etc.
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 5:29 PM: If It were me, I’d go to Dr. Jinsong Zhang at Moffett. He is trained in GU with good credetials.
Rick Davis (to Everyone): 5:30 PM: We know men who have seen Chahoud and are happy with him
Bill Franklin (to Everyone): 5:31 PM: I know two individuals who have gone to Dr. Julio Pow-Sang at Moffitt. Also GU with good credentials.
Rick Davis (to Everyone): 5:33 PM: Pow Sang is a urologist
Bill Franklin (to Everyone): 5:35 PM: Pow Sang is Department Chair of the Genitourinary Oncology Program at Moffitt. I know him from that aspect and assumed he was a GU.
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 5:53 PM: Jimmy G, Carl said he will pay you in grapefruit currency!
Jim Greenfield (to Everyone): 5:55 PM: Ok but the inlfation is murdurous these days
Alan Moskowitz (to Everyone): 5:58 PM: Have to leave now. take care everyone.
Ted Healy (to Everyone): 6:21 PM: Anyone visiting Portland, please do touch base with me at phoenix4357@gmail.com . Absolutely!
Bruce Bocian (to Everyone): 6:30 PM: None at all, .20, .18, .24, .27 . Have to run, thanks for doing all you do!
Joe (to Everyone): 6:47 PM: Gents, great to see y’all again. Gotta run. Thanks all. Joe
James Schraidt (to Everyone): 7:06 PM: Gotta go. Best to all.
Bill Franklin (to Everyone): 7:13 PM: I’m up very early tomorrow morning so I’ve got to go. Take care all.
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 7:14 PM: Also must close out, guys. See y’all next week!
Joe Gallo (to Everyone): 7:16 PM: Me too. My appointment is a 715am. Good call.
Dennis McGuire (to Everyone): 7:19 PM: where did Antonarakis go ?
Jake (to Everyone): 7:20 PM: University of Minnesota, 1 September
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 7:21 PM: The NIH trial that Brian is talking about combines taxol with two anti-immune antibodies.
David Plunkett, KCMO (to Everyone): 7:24 PM: I’ll try again next week.
Editor’s Pick:Today’s Group is bookended by discussions with two Virginians around seeking access to LU177 PSMA – it ain’t easy but we are getting there! (rd)
Topics Discussed
NE/small cell disease needs a different approach; more chemo …. & more… and more!; back to the Trial for BRCA man; don’t forget Ken Pienta!; T returns post HT; stretch out those cramps!; cardiologist totally misses interaction between abi and Eliquis; more SAM – statins, aspirin, metformin; calcifications in urethra – but not stonesl; how best to reach your doc; man in mid-IMRT; John I’s loss and more; can we find Lu177 PSMA before teh cancer spreads too far?; is it worh following up with another Axumin scan?
Chat Log
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 3:24 PM: His clinical trial was https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03315871. He had 2 vaccines and a bispecific antibody.
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 3:32 PM: PROSTVAC is the vaccine!!
Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 3:40 PM: If he’s concerned about docetaxel megadoses every three, he could try weekly as I did.. Antonarakis is leaving in September
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 3:51 PM: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04825652
Ken (to Everyone): 3:52 PM: just keep going… my friend
Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:02 PM: My understanding is that only 5 to 10 percent of patients do not have PSMA and some docs even question if the PSMA scan is even necessary. Len is right about about adding the old FDG scan.
Ken (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:03 PM: Jake its a higher number… closer to 30 percent.
Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 4:04 PM: The deep dive actually said that scans were not really necessary for Lu177
Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, July 5, 2021
Apologies for starting the recording late this week – but we made up for it by going almost 1 hour overtime! That’s what happens when the Calendar causes us to miss a week.
Editor’s Choice: Maybe we can control hot flashes after all …… and dexmethasone may ease chemo lows (rd)
Topics Discussed – order may be a little off this week …. sorry!
Uro fails to follow up w. denovo Mx Dx; neighbor provides care & guidance where not really wanted; managing advanced PCa since 2009 with IHT; the Embr gizmo brings succes; starting Ac225+pembro+enz trial; Pylarify now available; genetic testing; orchiectomy v LHRH; Orgovyx; Stability continues for man who started with 3000 PSA; 20th chemo coming up!; Dex may ease chemo low; Medical MJ for appetite and more; huge fatigue – but maybe overdoing it?; negotiating a drug holiday; PSA low end for a Pylalrify result; darolutamide could work; switching docs at The James; chemo brings results with just 6 sessions
Chat Log
John Ivory (to Everyone): 5:29 PM: My father & uncle had prostate cancer; my mother had breast cancer, but my germline was negative
John Ivory (to Everyone): 5:33 PM: abiraterone (sometimes known by brand name Zytiga
Dennis Correia (to Everyone): 5:39 PM: Dr. Parminder Singh at Mayo Hospital in Phoenix.
scott (to Everyone): 6:20 PM: Sorry for the repeat, how do you spell the specific oncologist from earlier?
Ancan – rick (to Everyone): 6:24 PM: Genitourinary medical oncologist
David Muslin (to Everyone): 6:24 PM: I give pat alot of credit for helping however, you can’t help someone who does not want to help themselves.
George (to Everyone): 6:34 PM: I signed up but was rejected because I don’t have hot flashes (yet).
John Ivory (to Everyone): 6:39 PM: For those on abiraterone, a reminder that the instructions say no grapefruit
Jeff Marchi (to Everyone): 6:40 PM: same with viagra!
John Ivory (to Everyone): 6:46 PM: SO good to hear, Ken!
David Muslin (to Everyone): 6:47 PM: You are an inspiration Ken
Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 6:48 PM: Ken, you are amazing! Good going
Bruce Bocian (to Everyone): 6:52 PM: Anyone try the Prolaris genetic test kit?
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 6:54 PM: Prolaris is useless for guys who are high risk/recurrent/advanced, i.e., this group.
Bruce Bocian (to Everyone): 6:54 PM: Ok thanks, Im thinking for my sons
Jimmy Greenfield (to Everyone): 6:54 PM: When I was taking dexamethasone I was cleaning the house constantly. My wife was sad when I was done -wanted me to get a scrip just for that
George (to Everyone): 6:55 PM: Woodburn Nuclear Medicine in Annandale Virginia for Pylarify PSMA-PET scan.
Jefferson (to Everyone): 6:55 PM: wwhere is fairfax ?
George (to Everyone): 6:56 PM: Fairfax 10 mi from Washington DC
Joel Blanchette (to Everyone): 6:57 PM: PSMA scan at Woodburn Nuclear Medicine & Metro Region PET Center
Pat Martin (to Everyone): 7:00 PM: Some tumors can make the T they need. As was explained by my MO
John Ivory (to Everyone): 7:12 PM: My question isn’t prostate related (is for My Mom), so I’ll just post it here. I’ll also go to caregivers tomorrow. Does anyone have any experience using medical marijuana as an appetite stimulant? Mom is down to 78 pounds from 100+ Looking for any way to stimulate her appetite
Jefferson (to Everyone): 7:16 PM: thank you ALL my oncologist has order blood genetic testing and was approved full help with the cost. I BELIEVE you have given me something to think about.
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 7:16 PM: The only cannabis drug approved by FDA for appetite stimulation is called Marinol (dronabinol). Marinol: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2005/018651s021lbl.pdf
John Ivory (to Everyone): 7:17 PM: Thanks Len–will look into that too
Pat Martin (to Everyone): 7:23 PM: Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Pat Martin (to Everyone): 7:31 PM: see all next Tues.
Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 7:32 PM: Gotta drop off, guys. Have a good week.
Bruce Bocian (to Everyone): 7:39 PM: Good night!
John Ivory (to Everyone): 7:49 PM: I’m on abiraterone w/o mets
Jeff Marchi (to Everyone): 7:51 PM: problem getting insurance to pay without metastasis
Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 7:53 PM: I gotta go soon. Bedtime!
Ancan – rick (to Everyone): 7:59 PM: Amir Mortazavi
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 7:59 PM: Gotta go. See you all Tuesday.
John Ivory (to Everyone): 8:00 PM: @Jeff wow, I got lucky then–maybe bc I failed surgery & radiation… Both ACA plan & now Medicaid have paid (I’m too young for Medicare)
George (to Everyone): 8:01 PM: https://cancer.osu.edu/find-a-doctor/search-physician-directory/amir-mortazavi
