Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, July 1, 2024

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, July 1, 2024

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, July 1, 2024

Apologies for the delay this week… it was a GoTo issue because we had a double session with a lot of slides. The ASCO24 presentation can be found at https://ancan.org/patient-highlights-from-the-2024-asco-annual-conference/

Men Speaking Freely is on for July 4 – we’re talking parent-child relationships with Dr. John Happy July 4th to all

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AnCan is grateful to the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Bayer, Foundation Medicine, Janssen, Myriad Genetics, Novartis, Telix & Blue Earth Diagnostics.
AnCan respectfully notes that it does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices recommended in our discussions are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
AnCan’s Prostate Cancer Forum is back (https://ancan.org/forums). If you’d like to comment on anything you see in our Recordings or read in our Reminders, just sign up and go right ahead. You can also click on the Forum icon at the top right of the webpage.
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime!
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Editor’s Pick:  Dr. Jeff advises you read your medical records carefully – he’s found mistakes and typos in his! (rd) 

Topics Discussed
Solution to chafing from sweats; put a GU med onc in place before you finish up at Fort Belvoir; Promise germline test; advocating for yourself at KP; play anxiety card to get Casodex buffer; couple of Gents update us; read your medical records carefully; PSA creeps – possible post-RP recurrence – when to get PSMA PET?; testing PSA in Panama and US; how does PSMA change as disease advances; responding well to HT; good immune system can slow disease
Chat Log
  • Norm Pollock

    sent: 5:19 PM

    Monistat chafing relief powder gel

  • AnCan – rick

    sent: 5:22 PM

  • Joel Blanchette, Reston, VA

    sent: 5:40 PM

    Invitae gene test

  • GARY Z

    sent: 5:42 PM

    Hi, Dr. John. I’m 66. Inova Oncology Genetic testing ~ 2018. No BRCA. No prostate cancer history immediately family (father, uncles, cousin). Mother breast cancer (survived 30 years) died of uterine cancer (BRCA, I think). After an ADT vacation three years – 2020 > 2023. Orgovyx February 2024 and scheduled to stop end of July 2024. (Received continuous ADT 2017-2018. Had intermittent ADT 2018 through 2019.) Thank you, Doctor.

  • John A

    sent: 5:49 PM

    Color includes PTEN.

  • Richard Fiske

    sent: 5:56 PM

    Long Term AnCan title: BSd

  • dan straub

    sent: 6:02 PM

    I just received my COLOR genetic test results… it does NOT analyze P10 or RB1

  • AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:04 PM

    BSd….. I like it

  • Frank Fabish Columbus OH

    sent: 6:12 PM

    Thanks everyone gotta sign off.

  • AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:35 PM

  • Julian – Houston

    sent: 6:43 PM

    Thanks again everyone – Great discussion: See you next week

  • AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:44 PM

  • Larry

    sent: 6:44 PM

    should be cautious about rushing to see surgeon and opting for surgery before not knowing a lot more

  • Stephen

    sent: 6:49 PM

    Nope – Not a vet – I’ll be back for more info – I have time to explore my best options. Thanks guys!

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, July 1, 2024

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, April 15, 2024

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, April 15, 2024

 

AnCan is grateful to the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Bayer, Foundation Medicine, Janssen, Myriad Genetics, Novartis, Telix & Blue Earth Diagnostics.
View AnCan’s patient-centered selection of papers and presentations from ASCO GU 2024, one of the top conferences on prostate cancer treatment:  https://youtu.be/YweU8hjA0Lw 
AnCan respectfully notes that it does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices recommended in our discussions are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
AnCan’s Prostate Cancer Forum is back (https://ancan.org/forums). If you’d like to comment on anything you see in our Recordings or read in our Reminders, just sign up and go right ahead. You can also click on the Forum icon at the top right of the webpage.
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/          Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups: Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/       Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 4th Thursday @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/veterans/
Editor’s Pick: Two younger men face challenging treatment but it’s the older man with the young wife who yearns for his testosterone! (rd)
Topics Discussed
SoC not offered to ‘young’ man with recurrent disease; testosterone replacement therapy; another young Gent with mHSPC needs a GU med onc QB; blood work returning to normal; drug holiday coming up; are glucocorticoids carcinogenic in the short or long run?; high risk diagnosis needs more investigation before treatment decision; there are solutions to ED; successful Tx continues as T returns.
Chat Log
  • Richard Tolbert

    sent: 5:30 PM

    The Patient Advocate Foundation, Co-Pay Relief Fund (CPR) Prostate Cancer, Metastatic Prostate Cancer and Prostate Cancer Health Equity are now open. Contact 866.512.3861. Email for portal: The Patient Advocate Co-Pay email portal: https://copays.org/#login

    sent: 6:04 PM

    Mark. Can’t find you to reply just to you. I am in bed because I had knee replacement surgery 3 weeks ago. Much more comfortable. I actually find my bedroom is the most comfortable place for these meetings.

    Richard Tolbert

    sent: 6:09 PM

    Jeff, it’s Richard Tolbert. Don’t understand the problem. Good luck with your recovery. My wife is at a crossroads with her knee pain, bone on bone. Will need knee replacement surgery in the near future.

  • sent: 6:11 PM

    Mark asked me in a private message why I was in bed, and if it was due to painful bone metastasis.

    Adam Albarado

    sent: 6:27 PM

    Thanks for the discussion and advice guys!

    AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:30 PM

     

    sent: 6:30 PM

    We are here for you Adam

    AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:31 PM

    THOMAS Matica

    sent: 6:40 PM

    From the Prostate Cancer Foundation “How Bipolar Androgen Therapy Works” https://www.pcf.org/c/how-bipolar-androgen-therapy-works/ Quite the see-saw therapy. Has anyone heard of this or been treated with it? Thomas

    Peter Kafka – Maui

    sent: 6:49 PM

    Dr. Ming Zhou – Dept. of Anatomic & Clinical Pathology, Tufts University School of Medicine. 800 Washington St, Box 802, Boston, MA 02111 – Have the pathology slides sent there for a second opinion on pathology.

    Peter Kafka – Maui

    sent: 6:50 PM

    Johns Hopkins second opinion on pathology: pathology.jhu.edu

    AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:50 PM

     

    Adam Albarado

    sent: 7:03 PM

    ☝️

    sent: 7:04 PM

    I have my PSA test tomorrow and I feel it will be lower than the last test at 0.09.

    THOMAS Matica

    sent: 7:09 PM

    Good Night, All……………..Thomas

    Julian – Houston

    sent: 7:11 PM

    good night all – another great discussion!!!

    AnCan – rick

    sent: 7:13 PM

    He’s in Panama City, PANAMA, Adam!!!

    Adam Albarado

    sent: 7:14 PM

    Ha! Yeah…the same but different.

    Adam Albarado

    sent: 7:15 PM

    That does explain the pulsing music though.

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, July 1, 2024

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, April 1, 2024

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, April 1, 2024

AnCan is grateful to the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Bayer, Foundation Medicine, Janssen, Myriad Genetics, Myovant, Telix & Blue Earth Diagnostics.

View AnCan’s patient-centered selection of papers and presentations from ASCO GU 2024, one of the top conferences on prostate cancer treatment: • ASCO GU 2024 conference highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YweU8hjA0Lw&t=2s

AnCan respectfully notes that it does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices recommended in our discussions are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.

AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.

AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download

AnCan’s Prostate Cancer Forum is back (https://ancan.org/forums). If you’d like to comment on anything you see in our Recordings or read in our Reminders, just sign up and go right ahead. You can also click on the Forum icon at the top right of the webpage.

All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/

Join our other free and drop in groups: Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/ Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 4th Thursday @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/veterans/

Editor’s Pick: Androgen Receptor degrader ARV766 arrives ahead of its webinar later this year (rd)

Topics Discussed

Diagnosed at 52 and concerned about recurrence at 61; pulse and bloods back to normal – was it the RT?; Metastatic Directed Therapy is not for everyone; starting AR degrader ARV766 trial; issues arising from RT proctitis and hemorrhoids; military vs civilian medical care; questioning pembrolizumab and its toxicity with TMB of 8.6?; abscopal effect from RT with Keytruda

Chat Log

What’s in a Clinical Trial? – Dr. John Antonucci’s Primer

What’s in a Clinical Trial? – Dr. John Antonucci’s Primer

What’s in a Clinical Trial? – Dr. John Antonucci’s Primer

On Tuesday, February 27 a squadron of AnCan specialists attempted the impossible: to condense the essence of arguably the best scientific meeting on genitourinary cancer research in the world into 1 hour of intelligible, useful information. A couple of hundred scientific poster and oral research presentations from the American Society of Clinical Oncologists annual GU meeting (GU ASCO24), made available and understandable to us AnCan’rs? You can view their attempt as well as the slides  at https://ancan.org/patient-highlights-from-the-2024-asco-gu-conference/ and judge how they managed.

To prepare for the session, a basic understanding of research is very helpful. It starts when scientists comes up with a question. For example, “Does Lupron do any good?” They then design a study to answer the question.

Types of studies:
Not every study is an experiment. In an experiment, the scientist does something to the subjects, such as try a new drug, and compare them to a control group, which doesn’t get manipulated. In observational research, the scientist studies the subjects but doesn’t do anything to them.

     Randomized controlled trials (RCT) are a type of experiment that are highly thought of. If you want to find out if Lupron is any good, you can find 2 groups of subjects with prostate cancer, give one group Lupron, and the other group a placebo (ie no medicine, although you still administer the fake dose). You have to be careful that the 2 groups match, because if you accidentally put most of the healthy patients in group A, they will do better but mess up your conclusion. This is the controlled part: you have to make sure both groups match except for the experimental manipulation. This is partly done by randomizing, assigning the subjects at random to the groups. At the end, you find out how long each group lived (or some other pre-established endpoint) and make a conclusion. This type of study is an experiment. It is also prospective: you create data as you go along which makes it a good study.

One of the several types of observational studies is the cohort study. Cohort studies follow groups to see how they do. For example, you could follow 1000 men over time, and see if the smokers get more prostate cancer than the nonsmokers. This could give a clue into what contributes to prostate cancer and how to prevent it. These studies are often prospective (looking into the future) but can also be look-back, or retrospective as well. A well-known cohort study in prostate cancer is the Canary Cohort that looks at low/intermediate Active Surveillance; or the Framingham Heart Cohort.

A cross-sectional study can answer questions like, what percentage of 50-year-old men have had a PSA test? You have 500 fifty year old men answer the question, and get your conclusion. It’s at one point in time. (The opposite is a longitudinal study, following subjects over time.)

Qualitative studies don’t collect numerical data like the others. If you want to find out what life is like on Lupron, you interview lots of men on the drug and get the big picture. The opposite is quantitative, where numerical data is collected.

Naturally, it makes sense to have lots of subjects in any study so you don’t get fooled by chance. For instance, you could flip a coin twice, get heads twice, and wrongly conclude that all coin flips will be heads. So big studies are better than small ones. The number of subjects in a study is known as n. Small ‘n’s make results suspect.

The chosen study type depends on the question, the ethics, and the resources.  Only an experiment, like an RCT, can make a cause-and-effect conclusion, because it’s randomized and has a control group. Other studies can discover correlation; that’s when two phenomena occur together but causation is unclear.

There are studies of studies as well: A Meta-analysis will review and combine several similar studies to make the results even more convincing. A Literature review will review many studies, pick the best, and create a summary for us.

Basic science research uses instruments like petri dishes and microscopes to study molecules or cells or tissues; these are in-vitro studies. Lupron started in basic science research. Then it progressed to animal or in-vivo studies. Treatments that look promising at this stage progress to human clinical studies.

Clinical Trial Phases
You will hear human clinical studies presented as Phase I, Phase II, or Phase III studies. According to the FDA, Phase 1 has 20 to 100 healthy volunteers or people with the disease/condition. It lasts several months and is to test for safety and dosage. About 70% of drugs move to the Phase 2, where up to several hundred people with the disease/condition are studied for several months to 2 years looking at efficacy and side effects. Approximately 33% of drugs move to phase 3, where 300 to 3,000 volunteers who have the disease or condition are studies for 1 to 4 years to deeply look at efficacy and monitoring of adverse reactions.  

A drug like Lupron, when it did well at all these phases, was then submitted to the FDA for approval. After approval it was still followed, in phase IV or post-marketing research, as it was given to thousand of patients. Keep the phases in mind if you volunteer to be a research subject.

Clinical tests
One last thing. How do you measure if a test is any good? What if someone asks, “Is PSA any good as a test for prostate cancer?” There are two key measures to consider: sensitivity and specificity. Sensitivity asks, “If prostate cancer is present, how good is the test at detecting it?” This measures the test’s ability to identify those with the disease correctly. Specificity, on the other hand, asks, “If prostate cancer is absent, how good is the test at correctly identifying those without the disease?” This measures the test’s ability to identify those who don’t have the condition correctly. Both measures are crucial in evaluating the effectiveness of a diagnostic test.

Clinical tests can be either predictive–A predictive test is designed to predict the likelihood of a specific outcome or response to a particular treatment or intervention.  –or prognostic–a prognostic test is used to estimate the likely course or outcome of a disease, regardless of treatment.

Your AnCan team looked at all those ASCO meeting presentations with an eye toward good study design, importance, whether it’s an experiment or not and if so what phase it is, is it prospective, does it have a large-n, and is it of interest to men in our group. Hopefully reading this will make it easier to understand the ramblings of our AnCan Mods.

 John Antonucci MD   dr.john@ancan.org

(Editor’s Note: AnCan is planning a webinar on clinical trials in 2024.)

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AnCan is grateful to the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Bayer, Foundation Medicine, Janssen, Myriad Genetics, Myovant, Telix & Blue Earth Diagnostics.

View AnCan’s patient-centered selection of papers and presentations from ASCO GU 2024, one of the top conferences on prostate cancer treatment: • ASCO GU 2024 conference highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YweU8hjA0Lw&t=2s

AnCan respectfully notes that it does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices recommended in our discussions are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.

AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.

AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download

AnCan’s Prostate Cancer Forum is back (https://ancan.org/forums). If you’d like to comment on anything you see in our Recordings or read in our Reminders, just sign up and go right ahead. You can also click on the Forum icon at the top right of the webpage.

All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/

Join our other free and drop in groups: Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/ Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 4th Thursday @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/veterans/

Editor’s Pick: Calcium, bone strengtheners and 2 Newbies with different approaches – one at the end.(rd)…. & FYI it’s Len’s B-day today (3/19)!!

Topics Discussed

4+5 Newbie does well on first treatment protocol; caffeine issues; Space Oar; 14x Jevtana Tx… and another foamy gland compatriot; does HT kill cancer cells or just make them dormant?; pros and cons with balancing calcium; which 2nd line AA to start with; great discussion on bone strengtheners; avoid 6 month Depot LHRH; started Pluvicto; this latecomer Newbie self medicates

Chat Log

  • TonyFig

    sent: 6:04 PM

    Calcium connection with AFib. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8782034/

  • Jim Marshall, Alexandria, VA

    sent: 6:07 PM

    There goes my Ice Cream.

  • AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:09 PM

    She is a GU med onc

  • AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:18 PM

    Dr. Jeff – you do NOT want to be on a 6-month shot!

  • Dr. Jeff

    sent: 6:21 PM

    thanks, what’s the drawback of 6 month Eligard?

  • Don Rogers

    sent: 6:22 PM

  • Frank Fabish Columbus OH

    sent: 6:23 PM

    abi dose in morning must wait an hour before eating

  • Don Rogers

    sent: 6:23 PM

    saw this today.

  • John A

    sent: 6:23 PM

    The concern is that the leuprolide might wear off a month early.

  • Dr. Jeff

    sent: 6:23 PM

    at 45 mg?

  • Dr. Jeff

    sent: 6:24 PM

    abiraterone one hr before food or 2 hrs after food

  • Don Rogers

    sent: 6:24 PM

    Scriptco.com abiraterone 120 pills of 250 mgs for 80.00 There is a yearly membership fee of $140

  • Jim Marshall, Alexandria, VA

    sent: 6:25 PM

    250mg Abiraterone with LOW-FAT foods.

  • Dr. Jeff

    sent: 6:38 PM

    are you referring to Aredia q 3 to 6 months infusion?

  • Dr. Jeff

    sent: 6:38 PM

    Pamidromate is Aredia

  • AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:39 PM

    Was thinking of a shot

  • AnCan – rick

    sent: 6:41 PM

    Boniva is the shot

  • Thomas Matica

    sent: 7:26 PM

    GOT TO SCOOT. THANKS ALL. THOMAS