Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Jan 3, 2022
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This meeting was a little different to normal with more than 50 participants carried over from the PCF Retreat session https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoFWeGbeGUA We gave time to new participants, then opened the floor.
Editor’s Pick: It can be really tough getting good care in Canada. We also examine intraductal issues.(rd)
Topics Discussed
‘Young’ man with low level recurrence 4 years after RP; NJ gent needs to find a GU med onc; getting treated for progressive PCa in Canada is much tougher; younger man with intraductal Dx needs better guidance; intraductal conversation gets expanded; long-term chemo continues to hold the beast at bay!; reading PSMA scans can be challenging – but leads to a result.
Chat Log
Michael Chandler (to Everyone): 6:21 PM: what does chemical recurrence mean?
Pat Martin (to Everyone): 6:21 PM: how often is he getting his PSA checked? t
John Antonucci (to Everyone): 6:22 PM: it means your PSA comes back up Michael
Pat Martin (to Everyone): 6:22 PM: That would help you determine PSADT
Ben Nathanson (to Everyone): 6:23 PM: @Michael Chandler –‘chemical recurrence’ or ‘biochemical recurrence’ just means that your PSA, after having gone low, has risen again past a specified level
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 6:26 PM: Biochemical recurrence is defined as a rise in PSA to 0.2 ng/mL and a confirmatory value of 0.2 ng/mL or greater following radical prostatectomy
Stephen Saft (to Everyone): 6:36 PM: I am going to say good night. My son is staying at my house tonight and I am going to hang out with him for a bit. Thanks
Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 6:37 PM: anomaly? get rechecked
Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 6:38 PM: He should see a Med Onc right away, perhaps at MSKCC. My 2 cents.
Bill Franklin (to Organizer(s) Only): 6:39 PM: I agree, in my opinion his doctor should order a recheck anyway. I know I would ask for one.
Joe Gallo (to Organizer(s) Only): 6:39 PM: NJU is primarily a radiation facility
Bill Franklin (to Everyone): 6:41 PM: If he got rechecked and the PSA went down again on treatment then maybe a scan is in order.
Stan Friedman (to Everyone): 6:42 PM: where in New Jersey does he live?
Rick Davis (to Everyone): 6:46 PM: joeg@ancan.org
Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 6:50 PM: If he complains of arthritis and back pain, all the more important to get a psma scan. Just in case….
John Antonucci (to Everyone): 6:51 PM: good point Peter
Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 6:58 PM: Is HIFU covered by Canadian Medicine? Is it considered Standard of care in Canada? I have been anemic due to ADT for 8 years. My Hemoglobin is in the low 9’s. Eleven is pretty good . I have not been on Lupron for 5 months now. So I think Nubeqa causes it.
Stan Friedman (to Everyone): 7:29 PM: can’t he do a televisit?
Julian Morales-Houston (to Everyone): 7:29 PM: Dr E is a fantastic Medical Oncologist and works with me to guide me thru this PCa.
John Ivory (to Everyone): 7:30 PM: I agree–try to meet Dr. E by Zoom first if you can’t afford to travel
Julian Morales-Houston (to Everyone): 7:31 PM: Dr E does televisit and in this current pandemic increase – It is preferred!
Jerry Pelfrey – Mexico (to Everyone): 7:33 PM: Gentlemen, unfortunately I must leave now.
Julian Morales-Houston (to Everyone): 7:37 PM: Eleni Efstathiou, MD is at Houston Methodist Oncology Partners 713-441-9948. You can mention my name!
Bill Franklin (to Everyone): 7:38 PM:. Good night and Happy New Year to all!
Fred Stires (to Everyone): 7:39 PM: Any recommendations for a good medical oncologist in North New Jersey
Ken (to Everyone): 7:40 PM: Signed up for 12 more chemo cycles so it would take me to 43…. its possible!
John Ivory (to Everyone): 7:41 PM: Ken–you’re like the Superman of chemo–Chemoman!
Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 7:41 PM: You are my hero, Ken. Keep it up!
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 7:44 PM: Ken, time to apply to the Guinness Book of World Records — freakin’ amazing!
Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 7:47 PM: yes, great job Herb!
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 7:50 PM: Alk Phos reference range: The normal range is 44 to 147 international units per liter (IU/L) or 0.73 to 2.45 microkatal per liter (µkat/L). Normal values may vary slightly from laboratory to laboratory.
Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 7:50 PM: ALP results are reported in units per liter (U/L). For men and women older than age 18, an ALP level between 44 and 147 U/L is considered normal. The normal range for children is higher than that for adults, especially for infants and teens because their bones are growing rapidly.
Frank Fabish (to Everyone): 7:53 PM: got to go guys
Peter Monaco (Private): 7:54 PM: 5 weeks since my hip replacement surgery. Anterior method is awesome. Recovery has been a breeze!
Rick Davis (to Peter Monaco): 7:54 PM: Told ya …. ;<)))))
George Rovder, Arlington VA (to Everyone): 7:55 PM: Thank you all. George
Peter Monaco (Private): 7:55 PM: Indeed you did! Glad you were right!
don kramer (to Everyone): 7:56 PM: Thank you, Rick and Joe and all. always beneficial to get the help along this path of barbed wire and broken glass
don kramer (to Everyone): 7:56 PM: Be Well , ALL.
Pat Martin (to Everyone): 7:57 PM: See ya all next Tuesday.
Julian Morales-Houston (to Everyone): 7:59 PM: Happy New Year to all!!
Michael Chandler (to Everyone): 8:00 PM: Thank you Rick and all. Happy New Year and see you next week
Martin Wice (to Everyone): 8:01 PM: Thank you. Happy new year.
We also learned recently that in 2021 almost 15,000 visitors have watched 258,000 minutes in viewing time on our YouTube Channel – THANK YOU!
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in – join us in person sometime! You can find out more about this and our other 10 monthly prostate cancer groups at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/
Editor’s Pick: We all know this group is for men living with advanced prostate cancer. It’s also for men lviing with advanced bladder cancer …. listen in to find out why! (rd)
Topics Discussed
PROMISE may be the ticket; advanced bladder cancer may not be so different from PCa; disease recurs after 20 years; Provenge on the Islands; dexamethasone vs prednisone with abi; dex and heart rate; nocturia and how to deal with it; Agent Orange and otehr VA issues; BAT experience; entering hospice; GU Med Onc recommends RT
Chat Log
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 4:10 PM: On a Mac, the chats are in Documents>GoToMeeting Chats
Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 4:13 PM: psma scan time
Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 4:15 PM: Oliver Sator at Tulane would be a good option.
Carl Forman (to Everyone): 4:18 PM: I had tried to get a telemed appt with Sator for a second opinion, but was told he only sees new patients in person. Didn’t want to get on a plane to see him.
John Antonucci (to Everyone): 4:20 PM: HIya Jake
Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 4:20 PM: pylarify
Alan Moskowitz (to Everyone): 4:22 PM: Could he have had C 11 Choline scan?
Joe Gallo (to Everyone): 4:27 PM: Invitae
Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 4:28 PM: I might have some input on oxycodone. I’m an old pro.
Julian Morales-Houston (to Everyone): 4:30 PM: I got the Color this week?
Bill Lewis (to Everyone): 4:34 PM: I’ve done more than 8000 self catheterizations. lewis.bill@gmail.com
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:45 PM: You ain’t going to hear this type of stuff anywhere else, Gents!!!
Alan Moskowitz (to Everyone): 4:48 PM: Avoid any gas causing foods –
Mark Horn (to Everyone): 4:53 PM: Many thanks everyone
Bill Lewis (to Everyone): 5:02 PM: To Steve: my oncologist would give you a special version of Chemo, including Taxotere and 2 other drugs right away. Love to talk.
Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 5:02 PM: axumin PSMA Pet
Vic (to Everyone): 5:05 PM: from the PEACE 1 study/trial and be sure to talk with the GU MO
Erwin Zoch (to Everyone): 5:10 PM: I suggest that unfamiliar acronyms be defined when 1st used for newcomers e.g,, SBRT is Stereotactic Body Radiation Therapy (or RadioTherapy).
Bob Smith (to Everyone): 5:12 PM: Regarding Steve’s comment on head bump, is it common for concussions to lead to PCa brain or other?
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 5:13 PM: I have not seen any suggestion that a concussion can promote a PC metastasis
Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 5:13 PM: I have never heard of incidents like this leading to cancer metastasis. But I am no expert.
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 5:16 PM: Bob – not sure there is any correlation that I have heard of.PCa spreads without any interference from outside forces – unfortunately.
Steve Barber (to Everyone): 5:22 PM: My imaginatve, “pet” theory is that 35 years of cell phone use/radiation conpromised the integrity of bone in my skull on the right side.
Vic (to Everyone): 5:24 PM: what study supports the abi with meals?
Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:30 PM: bone scans are notoriously insensitive
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 5:31 PM: Vic – we have articles around abi with food. But only re. reducing the dose with food.
Jim Marshall, Alexandria, VA (to Everyone): 5:41 PM: Jiimmy – Count your blessings you ARE. Think of what happens if you are not. Jim Marshall
Joel Blanchette, Reston VA (to Everyone): 5:41 PM: I am on the exact schedule as Jimmy and Herb.
Julian Morales-Houston (to Everyone): 5:42 PM: This is my schedule to a T!
Stan Friedman (to Everyone): 5:43 PM: I have obstructive sleep apnea and the therapy reduces the number of times I get up to one, maybe two.
Vic (to Everyone): 5:44 PM: I’ve had some success just ignoring the urge to go an being able to fall back to sleep without leaking
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 5:44 PM: Myrbetriq
Bill Lewis (to Everyone): 5:47 PM: Food added to full-dose Zytiga: PMID 25777155; DOI: 10.1038/pcan.2015.7 — Bill Lewis
Steve Barber (to Everyone): 5:47 PM: Thanks to all! At this time I must get off the meeting. I look forward to another visit and appreciate all the input today. Steve
AnCan – rick (to Bill Lewis): 5:49 PM: Tx Bill – we will definitely take a look at the refernce. I am sure Len and Herb are on it.
Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:51 PM: I just did. 2015 study with 41 patients. They claim 16% better response on food with full dose. No increase in tox. Hard to believe.
Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:53 PM: I’d need to read the full paper. And see if anyone was citing this study.
Herb Geller (Private): 5:53 PM: IT is a small retrospective study from 2015, They say that abi with food lowered T, so there must have been an issue with their initial therapy.
AnCan – rick (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:53 PM: Maybe you can look closer ….. But even so, changing dose like that must inc. medical advice. Did these men fail abi then up the dose.
Herb Geller (to Organizer(s) Only): 5:54 PM: T is a small retrospective study from 2015, They say that abi with food lowered T, so there must have been an issue with their initial therapy. It is totally flawed
Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 5:55 PM: Don’t forget the water quality at Fort Bragg
Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 5:57 PM: Military water quality is notoriously bad and still being EPA-remediated across the country
Herb Geller (to Everyone): 5:59 PM: I looked at the abstract of the study. Thay say that abi with food caused a decline in T levels as well as PSA in a small percent of men. The fact that T declined suggests they were undertreated before switching to food. T should be undetectable with any effective dose of abi
Joe Gallo (to Everyone): 6:01 PM: Veterans Population ~19,000,000
Veterans in VHA System ~9,000,000
Veterans in VHA with Prostate Cancer 488,984
Veterans in VHA with Metastatic Prostate Cancer 16,282
Veterans diagnosed with Prostate Cancer each year ~15,000
Cumulative (10year) Cost of High Risk PCa Patient2
~$200,000
Total Economic Burden for High-Risk Patients in VHA ~$3,256,400,000
Vic (to Everyone): 6:02 PM: Is a vet rep needed for St. Louis, MO.? If so, who should be contacted?
Joe Gallo (to Everyone): 6:03 PM: Vic and anyone interested let me know and I will forward the info. joeg@ancan.org
Vic (to Everyone): 6:04 PM: please do Joe, thanks
Vic (to Everyone): 6:14 PM: the nasa astronauts used a penis prosthesis for urinating, perhaps that would be available and helpful for you Jake
Erwin Zoch (to Everyone): 6:15 PM: Thanks to all of you for this amazing information! Thanks to Jay for encouraging me to join this group. I hope to be with you again soon.
Jay Mills (to Everyone): 6:16 PM: Best of luck tomorrow Erwin with your appointment.
Peter Monaco (to Organizer(s) Only): 6:18 PM: Need to sign off gents! I will handle all recordings this week. Best regards and Happy New Year!
Jake Hannam (to Organizer(s) Only): 6:19 PM: you too peter and thanks for your help
Nothing makes me, as AnCan’s Founder, happier than when our participants meet each other. Over 30% of our respondents said they made friends outside the groups, earlier this year.
New friends got made across international borders and they didn’t even have a condition in common!! . Mark Horn (on right) lives with metastatic bladder cancer for which AnCan does not as yet have a group. I have been supporting him personally and we keep in touch. Mark usually resides in Princeton, NJ but was on a trip to Panama to visit with his fiancee, Kalina, who lives in Brazil.
We had just seen Wang Gao Shan (on left) in our high risk/recurent/advanced prostate cancer group on Monday night, and I guessed he was in Panama too – since he could not be inTaiwan because of the time differnce and I did not think he was in Portland, OR. Gao Shan resides in one of those three sposts.
So I suggested that Mark and Kalina email Gao Shan as I didn’t have his phone number. Sure enough, there was an immediate response and last nifght, as you all see, they met for dinner in Panama City. Now I had never seen Gao Shan so I was as surprised as Mark. The story behind Wang Gao Shan’s Chinese name is for him to tell – I can just tell you that it means King of High Mountains … and that I am truly happy they got together!
And to boot, it turns out that both lived on a long street in London that runs through my teenage stomping grounds but they weren’t neighbors – that would have been too much!
On November 29th, we hosted rockstar Urologist and Sexual Medicine Specialist Dr. Rachel Rubin!
Many folks living with MS rarely get the opportunity to discuss urologic issues – whether related to incontinence or sexual function. But if you attend our virtual chat support groups, you’ll know the topic comes up often.
That’s why we brought Dr. Rubin to speak openly and frank about it. No stigma, no judgment! Kim asked your questions, and got some great answers.
With all the phenomenal feedback we have received, we are in hopes to host Dr. Rubin again soon. Stay tuned!
Watch this amazing webinar here:
Special thanks to Myovant Sciences – Pfizer and Foundation Medicine for sponsoring this webinar.
Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Video Chat, Nov 15, 2021
• All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in – join us in person sometime! You can find out more about this and our other 10 monthly prostate cancer groups at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/
Editor’s Pick: This week some guys have multiple GU med oncs, others have none, and some question theirs. Be sure you have at least ONE GOOD ONE!! (rd)
Topics Discussed
Metastatic disease stabilizes for 4 years; disease progresses for young man not treated that aggresively early; abi vs enz; starting darolutamide; moving to a GU med onc; confusion reading Pylarify; recurrence ‘AGAIN’; trust your good GU med onc
Peter Kafka (to Organizer(s) Only): 6:30 PM: Jonathan Starr has been a very active advocate and regular with the Advanced support group in Palo Alto. Very knowledgable and helpful to many others. I have met Jonathan several times over the years, in person and online
Jake (to Organizer(s) Only): 6:35 PM: Great turnout tonight! 46
AnCan – rick (to Jonathan Starr): 6:48 PM: Jonathan – please give Terry my best next time you see him. And big WELCOME
eric (to Everyone): 6:49 PM: Hey I’m from Rochester, NY. Welcome
AnCan – rick (to Jonathan Starr): 7:12 PM: Ever heard of 10x docetaxel off the bat
Jonathan Starr (Private): 7:13 PM: No, I have never heard of more than 6 sessions, unless it is at a reduced dosage and higher frequency.
Jake (to Organizer(s) Only): 7:25 PM: abi after enz or vice versa?
Len Sierra (to Everyone): 7:38 PM: Alan, this article discusses the comparison of enzalutamide, apalutamide and darolutamide. It’s for nmCRPC, but it would apply to mCRPC also. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34054…
Rich Jackson (to Everyone): 7:44 PM: Was just looking at two insurance plans and none of the ..lutamide’s above were listed. Wondering about pricing? Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 7:47 PM: It is my understanding that an MRI can’t determine if a tumor is prostate cancer or something else. It can show that something is present but not diagnose what the pathology is
Peter Monaco (to Organizer(s) Only): 7:48 PM: Rich – I checked enzi and abi in June – both cost about $2000 per month through my plan with WellCare/CVS. I eventually was able to get abby through Mt. Sinai’s specialty pharmacy for $55 per month.
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 7:48 PM: Correct Peter – i would agree
Alan Moskowitz (to Everyone): 7:49 PM: Len, Thanks for the article.
Rich Jackson (to Organizer(s) Only): 7:49 PM: Don’t have a need for them, yet. But was looking to see what the future may hold. Thank you Peter.
Alan Moskowitz (to Everyone): 7:49 PM: Rich Jackson- sometimes those drugs are listed under brand names rather than the generic names.
AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 7:50 PM: All the 2nd line AA’s can be found with subsidies from many different places
Rich Jackson (to Everyone): 7:50 PM: Didn’t look for brand names. Will try those. Thank you.
David Muslin (Private): 7:56 PM: Current treatment:10.17.20 Abiraterone + Pred on hold since 7/15/2021
Edward Clautice (to Everyone): 7:57 PM: Even on 40. skip right thruogh Amarillo – it smells really bad
Mark Perloe, MD Atlanta (to Everyone): 7:58 PM: Darn, we plan Little Rock the first day. Then Amarillo, then Flagstaff. I hope our dog coooperates.
Alan Moskowitz (to Everyone): 8:05 PM: Need to leave, thanks again for the guidance.
Len Sierra (to Organizer(s) Only): 8:12 PM: I’ve got to drop off, guys. Great job, Herb. See you next week!
Edward Clautice (to Everyone): 8:15 PM: thanks – gotta go
Joe Gallo (to Organizer(s) Only): 8:17 PM: She should watch Epstein video on our site
Nothing makes me, as AnCan’s Founder, happier than when our participants meet each other. Over 30% of our respondents said they made friends outside the groups, earlier this year.
