United We Fall, Divided We Stand: The Cultural War Between High- and Low-Risk Prostate Cancer Patients?

United We Fall, Divided We Stand: The Cultural War Between High- and Low-Risk Prostate Cancer Patients?

Here are some thoughts from our own Howard Wolinsky. He is a Chicago-based medical writer and author. His new book is “Contain and Eliminate: The American Medical Association’s Conspiracy to Destroy Chiropractic.” For more information, go to Containandeliminate.com. He also contributes a blog, “A Patient’s Journey,” to MedPageToday.com. He has been on active surveillance for 10 years.

 

Active surveillance for men with low-risk cancers has been the Rodney Dangerfield of urology. We men on AS — close monitoring of our cancers — get little to no respect from men being treated for prostate cancer who can experience a host of serious side effects.

AS has experienced gains over the past five years. The American Urological Association in 2017 stated in new guidelines that clinicians should recommend active surveillance as “the best available care option for very low-risk localized prostate cancer patients. (Strong Recommendation; Evidence Level: Grade A).”

This is a far cry from when I was diagnosed in December 2010, and my first urologist told me he could cure my cancer — a tiny Gleason 6 in a single core — “next Tuesday” when he had an opening in his OR. Back then, 6–10% of men like me opted for AS. Or, to put it another way, 90–94% sought “definitive” treatments, mostly radical prostatectomies.

A new generation of urologists, following the guidelines, is increasingly resisting the urge to perform surgery and rather recommends that men with low-risk Gleason scores of 3+3 and some men with favorable intermediate-risk Gleason scores of 3+4 go on AS.

There has been a surge in the past five years in the proportion of American men opting for AS. Some experts estimate that as many as 50–60% of eligible men now choose AS. (Again, 40–50% still opt for prostatectomies or radiation, a contrast from 90% who opt for AS in Sweden and the Netherlands.)

In May 2017, I described in my MedPageToday blog the lack of support services for men on AS. The philosophy then was to combine men on the full range of diagnoses, from very low-risk to advanced cancers, and treatments.

However, the voices of men worried about their next biopsy or MRI could be drowned out by those of men with impotence or incontinence as collateral damage from radical surgery, to those with hot flashes from hormone therapy, or “brain fog” from chemotherapy.

Men with low-risk cancer attend these meetings and often don’t return.

Some think these side effects are their future. But they’re not. About 50% of men on AS eventually end up being treated, though frequently they switch to treatments because of anxiety rather than the disease progressing.

Some men experience anxious surveillance; they may have low-risk disease but they can’t co-exist any longer with a cancer that can be cut out or zapped with radiation or lasers.

I encountered outright hostility when I suggested in my blog four years ago that separate support groups be created for men on AS.

One group, known as the “warriors,” argued all men with prostate cancer are in this together in what they like to call the “reluctant brotherhood.” But these. men with aggressive treatments and diseases may not realize men with low-risk disease are being scared off and want to stay away from the brotherhood altogether.

It still isn’t widely acknowledged that there is a cultural divide between these groups of men with very different diseases and side effects, different views of their diseases, and different emotional needs.

Some of the support and advocacy organizations have been trying to meet this need for men on AS. Groups, including AnCan/Us Too, Active Surveillance Patients International, Cancer ABCs, Malecare, Inspire (a virtual group from Us TOO International), Prostate Cancer Research Institute, and ZERO — The End of Prostate Cancer have been making some strides with virtual, asynchronous and (until COVID-19) in-person support groups.

About a year and a half ago, I helped start a monthly virtual support group for AnCan and UsToo believed to be the first of its kind in the U.S. The group has grown to a weekly meeting. We hold webinars featuring leading experts on AS that draw hundreds of men virtually and hundreds more on video replay,

At last, AS seemed to be finding its place in the support sun. Then, I encountered negative attitudes on the part of people who ought to know better — support group leaders.

One impatient leader in effect asked me when men on AS would just grow up, “bite the bullet,” put on their big boy pants and stop whining about biopsies that could save their lives. But the man who said this had undergone hormonal treatment and didn’t quite understand that men on AS are not “whiners” or “crybabies” but rather are coping with their own problems.

I told him there is a cultural gap between men who were being treated and low-risk men like me. Men with more higher-grade cancers who are being treated may be fighting for their lives while those on AS are worrying about more fundamental issues such as “When should I have a confirmatory biopsy” or “Is gadolinium contrast dangerous?” that are just as real to them.

I was frustrated about another incident recently that demonstrates how little respect AS may be getting from some men with higher Gleason scores and collateral damage from treatment.

As an Us Too group leader, I got a note from HQ seeking group leaders willing to talk in pop-up support groups about such topics as surgery, radiation, hormone therapy, and helping the newly diagnosed and caregivers. Us Too made the request on behalf of ZERO, which wanted to include sessions at its annual Summit this year.

I read the list over. ZERO, a savvy organization I have worked with, omitted active surveillance as a topic. I pointed this out and ZERO graciously added a support “lounge” devoted to AS. An oversight, sure, but no slight intended. Three of us AS support group moderators volunteered to participate.

I was stunned at what happened at the session. We had about 25 attendees. Apparently, most had been treated or were considering treatment for more advanced cancers. We did what we could to help and refer the men to support groups more suited to them.

We suspected there were some men on AS lurking but not talking.

One very vocal group leader represented a prostate cancer support group for all-comers. He said he had undergone a radical prostatectomy decades ago. He said he knew about AS but admitted he wasn’t much of a fan.

I gather he thought that aggressive therapy was inevitable so why not get it over with. He insisted his group did what it could to support men on AS.

But he said he found these men to be scared rabbits (my term). I can understand why. They were attending a support group geared toward men coping with severe side effects and those fighting for their lives run by a leader who didn’t really believe in AS as an option.

Good intentions gone awry.

I suspect there is a lot of this going on in the support world. I wonder how many men with low-risk or favorable intermediate-risk prostate cancer attend these groups and are steered into undergoing prostatectomies or radiation therapy when none is needed — at least not immediately.

I contrast these AS skeptics with my friend Bob Allan, a support group leader from Prostate Cancer Support Canada/Burlington in suburban Toronto. Allan was treated with radiation years ago and has fared well. But he supports AS as an option and regularly attends our AnCan/UsToo virtual meetings to learn about the latest on AS to share with his members.

It’s time to end this undeclared culture war. I think many support group leaders need to be educated about AS especially since the proportion of men with prostate cancer opting for AS is on the rise. Or these support group leaders need to refer AS patients to support groups with expertise in active surveillance.

Men on AS will be better served by taking these approaches than suffering in silence in their groups.

The TALK – Inherited Mutations

The TALK – Inherited Mutations

We had our first The TALK, a series of webinars addressing how families speak to each other about their health conditions, of 2021! On Wednesday March 31st, we were honored to have many “pairs” of different types talk about inherited mutations.

With opening commentary and resources from Melissa Rosen (Sharsheret) and Lisa Schlager (FORCE), Rick then introduced moderator extraordinaire, Lindsey Byrne!

We met Ilana Feuchter, with mom, Rozzie Brilliant (BRCA), Peter Kafka, with son Joel Kafka (Lynch mutation, MSH6, and somatic BRCA), sisters Karin Roseman and Stefanie Tsantilis (BRCA), and Dr. Pamela Munster, and with son, Max Daud (BRCA). They shared open and honestly about their own “talks”, and shared many relatable experiences.

We sincerely thank our medical experts, panelists, and partners: UCSF Center for BRCA Research, FORCE, The James The Ohio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center, NOCC, Sharsheret, and Bag It Cancer. Many thanks to Myovant Sciences for sponsoring.

Watch this amazing webinar, here:

 

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Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Jan 4, 2021

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Jan 4, 2021

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording     Jan 4, 2021

Happy New Year friends … may it be safe and healthy. Welcome to our first group of 2021 along with a few new organizational rules that you’ll hear about.

Editors Pick The Group settles a new man freaked by his diagnosis.(rd)

Topics Discussed

New Canadian Gent wrestles with hot flashes and HT side effects; Optum Rx changes its formulary on a specialty drug; considering different LHRH drugs; back to chemo when low dose abi stops working; denovo MxPCa Dx challenges yet another man mentally; monotherapy darolutamide and abiraterone; Dr. Efstathiou goes AWOL; Prostate Oncology invokes concierge policy; seeing Dr. Singh at Mayo for the first time; always give your doc a list of questions; what to expect when starting chemo

Chat Log  Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 6:02 PM:

Our moderators will rotate the meeting chair throughout the month – we are still working on the schedule, and will confirm next week. The meeting hosts will be Rick Davis, Len Sierra, Peter Kafka and Herb Geller. All of us will still do our best to attend evey meeting.

We will use our AnCan blog more frequently to inform you of key developments in the PCa world, rather than taking time at the beginning of meetings. So please sign up to our Blog in the right sidebar to stay informed https://ancan.org/blog/ .

Meetings will start promptly no later than 10 minutes after the appointed start time – 6 pm or 8 pm Eastern. Those arriving later than ‘Ten After’ are still most welcome BUT will be lower priority if they need time. Latecomers will be polled only after all those arriving on time have beeen addressed. Again, LATE means 10 minutes after the start time.

The Moderators are creating a list of questions to help structure the time we dedicate to new men at the start of each meeting. We are limiting new men to 3 per meeting; additonal men will be deferrd to the following week.

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 6:10 PM: If you are not speaking, please mute your microphone.

Carl Forman (to Everyone): 6:21 PM: Curious if anyone has recently received a letter from their medicare drug plan informing you that your med will no longer be covered in 2021, and you will be paying full price?

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 6:23 PM: I sure hope not! Medicare Part D?

Frank Fabish (to Everyone): 6:25 PM: I get my treatment through the VA due to Agent Orange. So no limitations.

Carl Forman (to Everyone): 6:25 PM: Yes, Part D coverage. My Olaparib, which has not cost me anything out of pocket, will now possibly cost me $13000-16000 per month!

John A (to Everyone): 6:34 PM: Venlafaxine; Depot Provera

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 6:41 PM: Please check out GoodRx Gold. I found that I got my meds at a price much less than Part D. Abiraterone was going to be $800 on Part D and $300 on GoodRx Gold. Unfortunately, I now go to three different pharmacies to get my meds.

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 6:42 PM: cyproterone

Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 6:45 PM: I suspect that this year we will see lots of changes in the medical insurance world due to the pandemic and challenges that hospitals are facing. Just my intuition.

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 6:48 PM: Zejula may be the cheapest. None of the PARP inhibitors are listed in GoodRx.

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 6:51 PM: Talazoparib trade name is Talzenna

Peter Kafka (to Everyone): 6:52 PM: If this is true about Olaparib it will be a problem for women dealing with BRCA2 & 1 mutations as well as some of us guys. I suspect that Women will object

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 6:52 PM: Zejula trade name is niraparib, the generic name.

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 7:01 PM: For me, 500 abiraterone with food is great. T is undetectable. It actually appeared to be a higher level with the lower dose with food.

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 7:07 PM: I think if the T is undetectable, then dosing doesn’t really matter. Is the T undetectable? If so, then I doubt increasing will help. I thought the Prednisone vs Dex is about blood pressure to protect against suppression of cortisol.

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 7:10 PM: Len’s blog entry – https://ancan.org/safety-of-glucocorticoid-regimens-in-combination-with-zytiga-for-mcrpc-patients/

John Ivory (to Everyone): 7:12 PM: It looks like Abbvie expected to start shipping Lupron again last month (see Lupron Depot 3 month 2nd line in table): https://bit.ly/393xN4L Looks like Takeda (Japanese pharma co) produces Lupron & Takeda claims they had a mfg problem: https://bit.ly/3rVBMZS

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 7:12 PM: Johann de Bono is an author on this paper in BJC: Tumour responses following a steroid switch from prednisone to dexamethasone in castration-resistant prostate cancer patients progressing on abiraterone: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4264443/

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 7:13 PM:  This randomized, Open Label Phase 2 study published in JAMA Oncology compared various dosing schedules of prednisone and one for dexamethasone which are used with Zytiga (abiraterone acetate).  As you may know, some form of steroid is necessary for use with Zytiga to compensate for its inhibition of natural cortisol production.  If not compensated, patients on Zytiga would suffer from a metabolic syndrome known as mineralocorticoid excess (hyperaldosteronism) resulting in hypertension and hypokalemia (low potassium) which could lead to metabolic alkalosis, tetany (muscle cramping) and irregular heart rhythms.

The various prednisone regimens included 5mg once per day, 2.5mg twice per day, and 5mg twice per day.  Dexamethasone was given as 0.5mg once per day.  For each of these subgroups, the following percentage of patients had no mineralocorticoid excess (a good thing!):

Prednisone 5mg twice daily: 70.6%; Dexamethasone: 70.3%; Prednisone 2.5mg twice daily: 60%; Prednisone 5mg once daily: 36.8%.

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 7:30 PM: 21 Jan 8:00 pm – 10:00 pm Men ‘Speaking Freely’

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 7:41 PM: About 30% of androgens come from adrenal and the Lupron does not drop adrenal androgen production.

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 8:10 PM: neulasta

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Jan 4, 2021

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Nov 24, 2020

 

 

Happy Thanksgiving to all our Audience ….. may it be healthy, safe and still delicious – don’t forget the exercise! ….. from your AnCan PCa Moderators 

 

Editor’s Choice:  We discuss a rare form of prostate cancer this week – ductal adenocarcinoma!

Topics Discussed

Recurrent ductal adenocarcinoma PCa; PSMA scans; newbie needs help dealing with hot flashes… and maybe doctors?; glucocorticoid + enz trial not working; qualifying for Axumin scan insurance coverage; chemo considerations; what ‘morphed’ PCa means; calcium and parathyroid issues; lupus and breast cancer considerations; dealing mentally with long term treatment; measuring T level rasies an issue; PARP-I failing for BRCA man

Chat Log

Jim Ward (to Everyone): 4:31 PM: Could someone please type the name of this rare form of PC? Thanks!

AnCan – rick (to Everyone): 4:31 PM: ductal adenocarcinoma

Jim Ward (to Everyone): 4:32 PM: Thx!

AnCan Barniskis Room (to Everyone): 4:44 PM: 18F DCFPyL PSMA scan

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 4:48 PM: 1 and 15 Dec – Tuesday meetings due to calendar

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 4:56 PM: https://ancan.org/

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 4:57 PM: venlafaxine

John I (to Everyone): 5:04 PM: Nutrition & Prostate Cancer plenary https://youtu.be/uwMZinYekGU Nutrition for Active Surveillance https://youtu.be/A7b3StqcXro Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 5:11 PM: Fred Hutchins Cancer Center in Seattle has a great playlist of exercise for prostate CA.

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 5:18 PM: Dennis, Have you discussed consideration of AR-V7? If the mets are bone mets, are they discussing a Lu177 consideration?

Frank Fabish (to Everyone): 5:23 PM: Testosterone today 15. last month 298. Had 2nd firmagon injection today. Doc wants to continue monthly firmagon. Wants to start chemo evry 3 weeks for 6 treatments docetaxel because of metastatic PC to lungs. Then to follow up with apalutimide along with firmagon injections. PSA .78. Last month 2,82

AnCan Barniskis Room (to Everyone): 5:25 PM: Weill Cornell and Tulane are running LU177 trials for metastatic castrate resistant PCa. Also UCSF is recruiting for LU177 and Pembrolizumab trial, as well asanother one for “CTT1403” for metastic castrate resistant PCa

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 5:29 PM: Ask your MD request a peer to peer consultation. I have always been able to get necessary testing done physician to physician under appeal. Ken do any DCF18 PYL or PSMA Ga-68 scan studies should be considered? These are better scans than Axumin.

AnCan Barniskis Room (to Everyone): 5:30 PM: Also Pheonix Molecular Imaging and U. of AZ in Tucson are recruiting for LU177 trials.

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 5:31 PM: There is a scan study at Emory for PSMA rh. not sure what the control group is for that study.

Dennis McGuire (to Everyone): 5:32 PM: is it the LU177 – 617 or LU177 – R2 ?

Jim Ward (to Everyone): 5:53 PM: Is there a thought that the lupus is related to RT and/or ADT?

Rusty (to Everyone): 5:56 PM: Gotta run, I have a backagammon challege with my wife. I will win.

Herb Geller (to Everyone): 6:00 PM: I gotta go as well. See you all next week.

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 6:01 PM: I thought Tony had PROSTRATE cancer.

David Muslin (Private): 6:05 PM: BTW, my “T “level is staying level at 10. She checks it everytime I do blood work.

Mark Perloe (to Everyone): 6:07 PM: I was just dropped to abi 2 pills per day. Abi primarily drops DHEA and DHEAS from androstenedione.from the adrenal. My T on both ABI and triptorelin is undetectable. Some people get their shots monthly, but it should be every 4 weeks. If you go longer, you may have higher level of T.

James Barnes (to Everyone): 6:11 PM: Happy Thanksgiving Everybody!

Jim Ward (to Everyone): 6:12 PM: Gotta hop off the call, folks. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Virtual Support – Men & Caregivers Recording, Jan 4, 2021

Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PCa Men & Caregivers Recording – Nov 2, 2020

Editor’s Choice: While there’s lots of talk about PSMA scans this week, the discussion around tolerating abiraterone v. enzalutamide is my pick! (rd)

Topics Discussed

Denovo Mx diagnosis has been through most treatment options – what next?; SBRT for recurrence – Part 1 almost over; looking at trials for advanced Mx disease; abi better tolerated than enz – but what about others?; Spot RT slows doubling time – is that enough without ADT?; PSA-progression recurrence shows nothing on PSMA scan – what treatment?; man with recurrence finds an invitation-only PSMA scan; long time Mx survivor seeks PSMA scan; denovo Mx man received less than standard care and now seeks GU med onc

Chat Log

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 6:33 PM: BiTe = Bispecific T-cell Engager

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 6:35 PM: Talabostat is an experimental drug that initiates an inflammatory response in the tumor microenvironment, converting cold tumors to hot tumors and thereby making them better targets for checkpoint inhibitors, like pembro or nivolumab.

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 6:37 PM: Why give up on enzi after just one month?

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 6:41 PM: AR V7

Jake Hannam (to Everyone): 6:46 PM: rd@ancan.org

Mark (to Everyone): 7:04 PM: Isn’t Blue Earth for Axumin and rh-PSMA

Mark (to Everyone): 7:15 PM: Abi blocks steroid production. Won’t levels still be zero with monotherapy?

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 7:17 PM: Mark, there was a trial showing that Abi alone was just as effective in suppressing T-levels as Abi + Lupron.

Herb Geller (to Everyone): 7:27 PM: Concomitant intake of abiraterone acetate and food to increase pharmacokinetic exposure: real life data from a therapeutic drug monitoring programme By:Groenland, SL (Groenland, Stefanie L.)[ 1 ] ; van Nuland, M (van Nuland, Merel)[ 2 ] ; Bergman, AM (Bergman, Andries M.)[ 3 ] ; de Feijter, JM (de Feijter, Jeantine M.)[ 3 ] ; Dezentje, VO (Dezentje, Vincent O.)[ 3 ] ; Rosing, H (Rosing, Hilde)[ 2 ] ; Beijnen, JH (Beijnen, Jos H.)[ 2,4 ] ; Huitema, ADR (Huitema, Alwin D. R.)[ 2,5 ] ; Steeghs, N (Steeghs, Neeltje)[ 1 ] EUROPEAN JOURNAL OF CANCER Volume: 130 Pages: 32-38 DOI: 10.1016/j.ejca.2020.02.012 Published: MAY 2020

Mark (to Organizer(s) Only): 7:34 PM: The abstract did not show a lower dose, just ok for light snack.

Len Sierra (to Everyone): 7:41 PM: From Allen Edel: About 90-95% of metastatic men express at least some PSMA on their prostate cancer cells. Less aggressive PCa produces much less PSMA.

Ancan – rick : 7:42 PM: color.com

Mark (to Everyone): 8:07 PM: This is the low dose abiraterone article: J Clin Oncol . 2018 May 10;36(14):1389-1395. doi: 10.1200/JCO.2017.76.4381.