Learn for AnCan’s Emperors of Estradiol… video chat and discussion
AnCan would bet no other prostate cancer support group has the experience and knowledge around using estradiol.
For those unfamiliar, estradiol is a female hormone that is found in men in small part; just like women carry a low level of testosterone (T). In large levels, estradiol (E2) can suppress T and effectively do the work of androgen deprivation, without many of the side effects of ADT. It is cheap and effective and has been around many years. So cheap that many pharmaceutical companies are concerned it can replace a primary, far more profitable ADT agent… like Lupron, Eligard, Firmagon or Orgovyx. Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor, makes the argument better than I can.
It offers a much higher Quality of Life, and the recent PATCH trial has shown its efficacy and non inferiority. The major disadvantages are 1) getting a doctor to prescribe it since it is not FDA approved and must be prescribed off label. And 2) gynecomastia (breast enlargement) that can be painful and socially embarrassing, although it has remedies.
Two of the most outspoken and well recognized advocates for E2 are peer users associated with AnCan. Dr. Paul Schellhammer, a former President of the American Urological Association, is on our Brains Trust. Dr. Richard Wassersug is on AnCan’s Advisory Board. Both have used E2 for more than 20 years, while AnCan member Al Latimer outlasts them both – but not together.
Listen to this outstanding discussion… yet again AnCan’s information is PRICELESS!
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Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
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Editor’s Pick: Switching hormone therapy drugs and for how long is the flavor of the day.
Topics Discussed
AnCan’s poster at GU ASCO26 https://ancan.org/ancan-gu-asco26-survivorship-poster/; doing well on HT, but for how much longer; real world evidence (RWE) lawsuit between Bayer and JnJ ARSI drugs; appointment set with GU MO at Fox Chase; confusion over NCI trial eligibility; stable after 24 months of HT – should he change it up?; triplet to doublet – can he switch HT drugs; abi and cost; HCP decisions to switch drugs; best Sibley GU MO for BRCA2; Siemens Quadrant may give better PSMA images at bladder neck; NEWBIE – climbing PSA on recurrence but nothing seen
Rick – do you have a verifiable mail or phone address for Dr. Epstein so I can request a second opinion of a Fox Chase biopsy? I’ve failed on three attempts.
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix, Blue Earth Diagnostics and Foundation Medicine.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
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Editor’s Pick: Unrelated Newbies from either Coast have almost identical issues.
Topics Discussed
Our two Newbies are ‘twins’ – both denovo Mx on the cusp between high and low volume mets, and both with less experienced GU med oncs; 4x chemo down doing well with a full head of hair!; finding an exercise program; contacting NCI; Orgovyx trumps a 6-mo. depot shot; early radiation cystitis; finding Dr. E; with heart history, Orgovyx or Lupron?; discussing NCI trial & adaptive therapy
Chat
AnCan – Rick sent: 5:55 PM
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AnCan – Rick sent: 5:56 PM
Playing the Long Game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jzyAeOtNI
Great Meeting again gang! I’m out – time to walk the dog.
michael perillo sent: 7:21 PM
Hi all, need to leave the meeting. Obviously have quite a bit of work to do re possible change to orggovyx, possible use of radiation, chemo or other triplet approach, possible somatic testing as well as second opinion. Will follw up on future meetings. Thanks Michael
AnCan–John A sent: 7:21 PM
Ok Michael, welcome
Eric James; Tyler TX sent: 7:25 PM
The weight you use is relative to your strength. Weight is usually selected based on how many reps you are to do.
Steve Schuler (Go Seahawks!) sent: 7:31 PM
Did you have doubling time data before going on the ADT?
The reason I ask is that there will be a lag after going off ADT before the DT data will be reliable
Eric James; Tyler TX sent: 7:33 PM
The NCI doc presentation has some overlap with Adaptive Therapy
Steve Schuler (Go Seahawks!) sent: 7:38 PM
Orgovyx will restore your T faster once you get off it
RJ Smith (Seattle) sent: 7:48 PM
ChatGPT, etc.) is not a GU Med Onc. Not even a urologist or MD of any kind.
Steve Schuler (Go Seahawks!) sent: 7:56 PM
gotta drop, love to hear more discussion of the NCI YT video at some point. If that happens after I drop, I’ll view the recording of this session later
Richard B, Silver Spring, MD sent: 8:02 PM
I need to step away due to an early start tomorrow morning. Nothing new to report but more assessments this week. So possible report next week. ‘Appreciate all the conversations. Good night.
dan-s alexandria sent: 8:03 PM
gotta go, gents…. good conversations.
Bruce Schrimpf sent: 8:11 PM
As always it was very informative. Thanks for being “there” for those of us struggling through!
Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PrCa Video Chat, 1/13/26
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AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Johnson and Johnson, Telix, Blue Earth Diagnostics and Foundation Medicine.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: Denovo metastatic BRCA2 Newbie stumps us all!
Topics Discussed
High volume denovo Mx Gent with BRCA germline can’t fiing a treatment that controls his T or his PSA; starting IMRT along with constipation; 2nd docetaxel easier with less fatigue than the first; liver returning to normal after 6x docetaxel; so back to full daro dose; T returns within 3 months of stopping 12 mo of orgovyx; BCBS turns down Prolia for -2.7 osteoprosis – did doc ask for wrong denosumab; ‘ciiling cap’ discussion; opting for new Plan Ds (drugs); Inherited Mutations discussed;
the relatively long half-life of injectable testosterone undecanoate means its effects can last for weeks, but probably not months
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 5:08 PM
has anyone had VMAT radiation?
Gary Martin sent: 5:09 PM
I had that prostate inflammation first and second round docetaxel. my oncologist did not know cause. Suggested UTI, which have the same symptom I had in round 1 and 2. I figured it was chemo working on prostate.
Julian – Houston sent: 5:13 PM
Jeff, I have had VMAT radiation.
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 5:13 PM
how well did it work? any side effects?
Jack sent: 5:14 PM
Enzalutamide blocks androgen binding which disrupts the negative feedback loop that normally supresses testosterone this leads to compensatory increases in LH and subsequent increases in testosterone
Julian – Houston sent: 5:14 PM
It worked quite well – I have been in remission for over 5 years. I am now having some radiation effects but not severe
I had insurance denial of Prolia (bone strengthening)- anyone encounter denial of Prolia?
Julian – Houston sent: 5:34 PM
Aetna no longer approves Prolia.
Larry (Alaska) sent: 5:36 PM
Bone loss is largely drivenby estradiol deficiency (just as it is in post-menopausal women). Testosterone deprivation also lowers a man’snatural estradiol. A low-dose estradiol suppement can avoid the need for bune-building agents. Agents which are expensive and bring their own set of adverese side effects.
Larry (Alaska) sent: 5:43 PM
Calcium + Magnesium:
AI Says: Why Separation Helps Competition for Absorption: High levels of calcium can block magnesium absorption in the intestines, and vice-versa. Optimizing Intake: Spacing them out (2-4 hours apart is a common suggestion) minimizes this competition, allowing your body to absorb each mineral more effectively. When It’s Okay to Take Them Together Multivitamins: If they are in smaller, balanced amounts within a multivitamin, the interaction is usually not an issue. With Food: Taking them with food can also help with absorption and reduce digestive upset.
Hi-Risk/Recurrent/Advanced PrCa Video Chat, 1/5/26
HAPPY NEW YEAR to all AnCan’s YouTube viewers. AnCan is closing out its Annual Fundraising Campaign. If you haven’t donated yet, consider the priceless value we bring . Please donate – especially if you watch our recordings and are not on our Mailchimp list. https://ancan.org/donate/
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Johnson and Johnson, Telix, Blue Earth Diagnostics and Foundation Medicine.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
HEADSUP – another long session!
Editor’s Pick:Like London buses, topics come in clusters this week – post-surgery recurrence, and monotherapy daro
Topics Discussed
Recurrence 3+ months post-surgery is confusing given medical reports; sitting on hands post 2017 RRP has dire cinsequences; more rapid recurrence requires PSMA scan for younger Gent; low T post treatment raises question whether to force it castrate; oxybutinin manages hot sweats… ARSI makes no difference; Gent considers going from doublet to mono; recently diagnosed denovo Mx man learns he’s 5+4; should he keep one Pluvicto session in reserve?; get a DEXA scan before starting bone stregthener; can a layman read their PSMA scan?; is he ready for mono daro?; should a FAP (Fibroblast Activation Protein Inhibitor) scan be considered?; PSMA needed as PSA rises post IHT; connections between prostate and thyroid cancer; Gent resumes doublet but doesn’t watch PSA – more concerned with duration?!?
Chat
RJ Smith (Seattle) sent: 6:17 PM
Hey Bob! Infusion tomorrow, so today is a good day. Sucked on a lot of ice for round #2 as you recommended, so mouth/taste was fine. Proctitis (mostly damage from ton of radiation) is pain in the a**, though–quite a bit of pain this time, but no pain today, so I’ll take it!
Bayer Patient Assistance Foundation could provide free Nubeqa (darolutamide) if you qualify. https://www.patientassistance.bayer.us/en/ I am on my third year in the program.
House guest, must go. Thanks to AnCan and Rick D for referral to Dr. Guancial in Sarasota. Had great visit last week. ADT working, PSA May 4.7, today .01, no side effects, Testro 50. Orgovyx working
Larry Schuller – Alaska sent: 7:06 PM
Orgovyx/relugolix pills and Firmagon/degalarix injections are both LHRH/GnRH ANTAgonists. In my opinion, superior to LHRH agonists, Lupron/leuprolide. Bot inferior (again, my opinion and personal experience) to trans-dermal estradiol (see the web site “estradiolinitiative.org” for more information or cantact me directly at ljschulr@alaska.net.
Bob Schwartz U.S.N. Venice, FL. sent: 7:07 PM
Jeffrey Green, you can also get the Embr Wave at Amazon (my wife got mine there).
Jim Marshall, Veteran, Alexandria, VA sent: 7:08 PM
Family commitment have to sign off…Happy New Year everyone
Jim Marshall, Veteran, Alexandria, VA sent: 7:36 PM
My solution for HOT FLASHES at night has been is even if the room is 55, I have a 12″ fan blowing directly on my face. This is done year round.
Paul Schomer sent: 7:50 PM
I am not, no, Jim
RJ Smith (Seattle) sent: 7:50 PM
NTD–will update next week on how Chemo#3 goes (docetaxel infusion tomorrow, fingers crossed).
Thomas Matica sent: 8:07 PM
Leaving the meeting. Thanks to everyone. Happy New Year.
Jim Marshall, Veteran, Alexandria, VA sent: 8:11 PM
Eric – When you are fatigued, go out and exericse despite the body telling you NOT!!!!
S. Datta sent: 8:14 PM
FAPI (Fibroblast Activation Protein Inhibitor)
Larry Schuller – Alaska sent: 8:18 PM
It is not crazy to want your testosterone back. Intermittent ADT can do that and it is showing promise as a tactic. Bipolar ADT (BAT) is a little crazier, but has some promise also. If you want to go wild, check out Dr Robert Gatenby’s work at Moffit in Florida. Intersesting stuff there.
Jay Mills Chatanooga- Though I didn’t follow the whole conversation, I heard you say something to the effect of, “I may have mets all over the place, in addition to what shows on PSMA.”
Barry Blomquist sent: 8:28 PM
Have to jump – thanks everyone. Happy New Year
Eric Curtis sent: 8:30 PM
Thanks all – gotta go
Jeffrey Green sent: 8:31 PM
Got to start winding down here. Thanks for all you guys. See you next time.
Len sent: 8:34 PM
Source is AI: Bidirectional Risk: Men diagnosed with thyroid cancer have a roughly 28% to 30% higher risk of later being diagnosed with prostate cancer compared to the general population. Conversely, men with prostate cancer are more likely to be diagnosed with thyroid cancer.
Robert sent: 8:35 PM
Thanks Len. I read the same thing.
dan-s sent: 8:49 PM
Thanks all… another good session. Have to sign off for the evening. Happy New Year…
Jay T in MN sent: 8:50 PM
My hospital was charging the insurance company about $20,000.
gary peters sent: 8:50 PM
I did not know this about thyroid C and PC. Thank you.
Jon McPhee Toronto sent: 8:50 PM
Do a PSA test once a month. Cheap. PSMA/PET is expensive and harder to get.
Jay T in MN sent: 8:51 PM
I “only” had to pay $1000 for my portion of PET PMSA
