AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix, Blue Earth Diagnostics and Foundation Medicine.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: Toss up between ANDROMEDA trial and dormant cancer discussion
Topics Discussed
T3b Gent needs clarification on his Bx before starting treatment; how much HT before discussing intermittent; starting doublet; Nagar suggests IMRT is better for this Gent; switching HT drugs may address castrate resistance; Cialis for nocturia – maybe; potential cardio-onc in Portland, OR; Kishan’s ANDROMEDA trial attractive to men with slow recurrence; can prostate cancer cells be dormant?… follow up post-recording suggests YES.
Chat
AnCan – Rick sent: 4:58 PM
RJ – please call 877 582 7011 for HELP!!
Dial In 646 749 3129 #222 583 973
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 5:23 PM
Rajni Sethi is a Radiation Oncologist
Jim Marshall, Vet Support Grp. Moderato sent: 5:33 PM
Dr Jonathan Epstein. Advanced Uropathology of New York 700 Stewart Ave, Suite 101 Garden City, NY 11530 Hours: Monday-Friday 9:00AM – 6:00PM P: 516-760-2037 F: 516-200-3899 jepstein@imppllc.com
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 5:36 PM
orgovyx
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 5:38 PM
Ductal is very aggressive, is it really Ductal
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 5:39 PM
that would call for 2nd
Bob Schwartz, USN, Venice, FL. sent: 5:44 PM
Veterans, in Capt. Jim, We Trust!
Jim Marshall, Vet Support Grp. Moderator sent: 5:45 PM
Jim Marshall, USAF(RET), 703-338-7341. veterans@ancan.org
May be a GU cardiologist: Maros Ferencik OHSU Knight Cardiovascular Institute Cardiology Clinic, Beaverton, OR 1-503-494-1775
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 6:49 PM
Actinium major problem with dry mouth
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 6:50 PM
more according to studies
10-25%have severe dry mouth
Larry (Alaska-Estradiol as ADT monotherapy) sent: 6:52 PM
Alpha particles simply have a shorter penetration than beta particles, so cellular damage is more limited to the locations the ligand binds the radioactive material. The problem with both is that the radioactive material is placed everywhere there is uptake of the ligand.
Joseph (Sean) Siry – Laguna Woods, CA. sent: 6:52 PM
So the actinium treatment does not rely on knowing the precise location of the metastasis?
Larry (Alaska-Estradiol as ADT monotherapy) sent: 6:53 PM
Joseph/Sean, both treatments (using ligands) bind to the same cells. The ligand (sort of) “knows” where to bind.
Joseph (Sean) Siry – Laguna Woods, CA. sent: 6:59 PM
my Testosterone is in the 180 + level, would systemic treatment rule me out due to ADT is just started?
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix, Blue Earth Diagnostics and Foundation Medicine.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: Two men recur from low levels, one younger, while a much younger man is denovo metastatic.
Topics Discussed
Fit 87 yr old seeks more treatment ideas; younger man recurs post-LDR brachy for 3+4; – cud be a NCI candidate; 3+3 comes back after 5 yrs as 4+5; PSA stays high but stable after 9 months of doublet – change docs!; Clomid causing heart issues; Long Game candidate gives update; Axumin goes AWOL; another very young Newbie with multiple 5+5 cores needs a GU MO; Gent switches care at MSKCC
Good luck John B. I must ring off for tonight, best wishes to one and all! — Alfredo
Morgan Brooke sent: 4:36 PM
Okay. I thought I was here in the first 10 minutes. I’ll be sure to join earlier next week. Thank you
Jim Marshall, Vet Support Grp. Moderator sent: 4:36 PM
Jack. – welcome to the CLUB!!!!!
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 4:38 PM
morgan too many new people today
Morgan Brooke sent: 4:38 PM
Understood
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 4:40 PM
get here 10 minutes before the meeting
Danny sent: 4:50 PM
you looking for folks to speak?
Danny sent: 4:53 PM
Jun 2022 PSA=4 (no actions taken) Nov 2025 PSA=13 Nov 2025 MRI PiRADs=5 Nov 2025 Biopsy Gleason 10 (5+5) Nov 2025 PSMA PET Local pelvic mets Nov 2025 No Genetic germline or somatic adaptations to treat Dec 2025 Started ADT (Nubeqa 1200mg + Orgovyx 120mg) daily Jan 2026 Blood Panel (PSA=0.45 T=11)
Urology: R. Jeffrey Karnes, MD Onc: Elisabeth Heath, MD RadOnc: Anne Rajkumar, MD
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix, Blue Earth Diagnostics and Foundation Medicine.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: AnCan’r considering AMG509 STEAP T-Cell engager; does IDC-P make you high risk?
Topics Discussed
Newbie needs GU MO and doublet; ADT and heart issues; BRCA2 germline Gent progresses after P; no evidence for doublet; long-timer needs to switch treatment; moving from Pluvicto to xaluritamig/ AMG509/ STEAP trial; supplemental E2 discussed by peer – insurance issues, gui9dance on E2 blood levels; IDC-P man on RT asks how much HT; with BCR, doubling time may be more significant guide to BCR than actual PSA level
Chat
Jim Marshall, Vet Support Grp. Moderator sent: 6:33 PM
Joining from the air. No mic available. I just blogged the Estradiol conversation.
AnCan – Rick sent: 7:36 PM
Kishan would say 6 months per his recent meta study
Show Tran the Kishan paper
Jeff Marchi – San Francisco sent: 7:37 PM
has he had genetic testing? it can frequently be associated with genetic issues
AnCan – Rick sent: 7:37 PM
12 months if you’re more aggressive.
Is Spratt the final author
Steve Schuler (Seattle) sent: 7:40 PM
I just wrapped it up a month ago. Now I’m on nothing, no ADT either. I was on Lupron for 2 years, abiraterone also for 2 years, but started a year after the Lupron started (there’s a story there, but later), and then on Estradiol for most of the time I was on abiraterone. But now on nothing. For most of the E2, it was .05mg (50 microgram) patches 2 per week. So a box of 8 lasts you 4 weeks. With GoodRX, those were $13/box
A word about the dose level of the patches: that’s the estimated dose delivery of a patch per day. The amount of E2 in the patch itself is higher, something like 600 microgram is what I remember, but then it releases slowly at an ESTIMATED rate of 50. But that release rate is highly dependent on the amount of fat under the skin, etc. So your milage will vary
Mark N sent: 7:44 PM
Thanks for the feed back!
dan-s alexandria sent: 7:48 PM
thanks Jimmy
Pierre D., Olean, NY sent: 7:52 PM
Thank you all for your input.
Jeffrey G sent: 7:53 PM
We were in the 90s today. Ugh, warmest AZ winter i’ve ever been in. Still, gotta be grateful for warm weather and for a psa of 0.02…Adios
Learn from AnCan’s Emperors of Estradiol… video chat and discussion
AnCan would bet no other prostate cancer support group has the experience and knowledge around using estradiol.
For those unfamiliar, estradiol is a female hormone that is found in men in small part; just like women carry a low level of testosterone (T). In large levels, estradiol (E2) can suppress T and effectively do the work of androgen deprivation, without many of the side effects of ADT. It is cheap and effective and has been around many years. So cheap that many pharmaceutical companies are concerned it can replace a primary, far more profitable ADT agent… like Lupron, Eligard, Firmagon or Orgovyx. Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor, makes the argument better than I can.
It offers a much higher Quality of Life, and the recent PATCH trial has shown its efficacy and non inferiority. The major disadvantages are 1) getting a doctor to prescribe it since it is not FDA approved and must be prescribed off label. And 2) gynecomastia (breast enlargement) that can be painful and socially embarrassing, although it has remedies.
Two of the most outspoken and well recognized advocates for E2 are peer users associated with AnCan. Dr. Paul Schellhammer, a former President of the American Urological Association, is on our Brains Trust. Dr. Richard Wassersug is on AnCan’s Advisory Board. Both have used E2 for more than 20 years, while AnCan member Al Latimer outlasts them both – but not together.
Listen to this outstanding discussion… yet again AnCan’s information is PRICELESS!
AnCan’s ambitious CEO and Founder, Rick Davis, recently sat down with Rarity Life, the magazine published by Same But Different Creative, to share the deeply personal journey that led to the creation of AnCan.
In the interview, Rick reflects on his early days navigating a prostate cancer diagnosis — a moment that reshaped his life & his understanding of what true support should look like. Like so many survivors and thrivers, he quickly discovered that information alone isn’t enough. What people often need most is connection — the chance to speak openly with others who truly understand the lived experience of cancer.
That realization became the foundation of AnCan.
Rick shares how traditional support models don’t always meet people where they are. Geographic limitations, physical health challenges, financial strain, rare diagnoses, and even the emotional weight of walking into an in-person group can all create barriers. For many, simply showing up can feel overwhelming.
AnCan was built to remove as many of those barriers as possible.
Rick’s full interview in Rarity Life offers an inspiring look at leadership shaped by lived experience, and a reminder that meaningful change often begins with one person asking: How can we do this better?
AnCan thanks the following sponsors for making this recording possible: Novartis, Telix, Blue Earth Diagnostics and Foundation Medicine.
Views expressed in this Recording are solely the opinion of AnCan Foundation, our Moderators and Participants.
AnCan does not accept sponsored promotion. Any drugs, protocols or devices discussed are based solely on anecdotal peer experience or clinical evidence.
AnCan cannot and does not provide medical advice. We encourage you to discuss anything you hear in our sessions with your own medical team.
AnCan reminds all Participants that Adverse Events experienced from prescribed drugs or protocols should be reported to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or the FDA Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS). To do so call 1-800-332-1066 or download interactive FDA Form 3500 https://www.fda.gov/media/76299/download
All AnCan’s groups are free and drop-in … join us in person sometime! You can find out more about our 12 monthly prostate cancer meetings at https://ancan.org/prostate-cancer/ Sign up to receive a weekly Reminder/Newsletter for this Group or others at https://ancan.org/contact-us/
Join our other free and drop in groups:
Men (Only) Speaking Freely…1st & 3rd Thursdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern https://ancan.org/men-speaking-freely/
Veterans Healthcare Navigation… 1st & 3rd Tuesdays @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room https://ancan.org/veterans/
Veterans Speaking freely… 4th Tuesday @ @ 8.00 pm Eastern Schmier Room
Editor’s Pick: Switching hormone therapy drugs and for how long is the flavor of the day.
Topics Discussed
AnCan’s poster at GU ASCO26 https://ancan.org/ancan-gu-asco26-survivorship-poster/; doing well on HT, but for how much longer; real world evidence (RWE) lawsuit between Bayer and JnJ ARSI drugs; appointment set with GU MO at Fox Chase; confusion over NCI trial eligibility; stable after 24 months of HT – should he change it up?; triplet to doublet – can he switch HT drugs; abi and cost; HCP decisions to switch drugs; best Sibley GU MO for BRCA2; Siemens Quadrant may give better PSMA images at bladder neck; NEWBIE – climbing PSA on recurrence but nothing seen
Rick – do you have a verifiable mail or phone address for Dr. Epstein so I can request a second opinion of a Fox Chase biopsy? I’ve failed on three attempts.
